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IR and pregnancy

Maria Duran
 

Hi all,

I believe that IR increases with progesterone in late pregnancy if I am not wrong, How does IR evolve along the whole process and which are the periods where one needs to be more aware of high risk laminitis?

Thank you very much.

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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
Plutón´s Photo Album
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Re: Looking for help reviewing Hay Analysis

Nancy C
 

Hi Stephen and Kelly

Welcome.  You are in the right place to help your mules.

You will get a formal welcome from an experienced member of the support team shortly.  In the meanwhile I wanted to let you know that in response to your question yesterday, I had sent you a copy contact information for women who are approved by Dr. Kellon for ECIR Group diet balancing.  In case it got lost in cyber heaven, you can also find it here  HAY BALANCING-1.pdf

Hope this helps.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Jaini Clougher

Nancy C
 

Info about hay testing and how to, also available on our website.

https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-diet.php

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Frog and hoof question

hdavis
 

Thanks everyone for the feedback. Kirsten, I too have taken the HG courses as well!

Thanks for the info and will mark the frog based on where her frogs are at now (stretched) and then we can compare to the xrays.  


I will also take sole pics of her feet and post them. One question for Lavinia, can I give the issue with her LF at all that you mentioned about the heel being lower than the front half at this point?  I will take the break we back on that foot as well and post a new pic.

She has stayed in the cloud boots with socks and shipping boots most of the time. On warmer days when we had some warm snaps I removed socks and boots for short periods. Shipping boots are also removed when armed and no winds.  For exercising I have been gradually increasing the removal of boots for longer periods so will continue that. I am terrified about winter laminitis as last year she gave no indication at all of having circulation issues. I ride her one day and all was good and the next day she could barely walk. So now I am being extra careful with her and think I will keep her boots and socks on for most of the winter.  As well as will add a blanket on when we get to minus 20 and colder I think. 

Vet comes tomorrow so will keep you all posted!  Thanks again!!
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


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Re: Jaini Clougher

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

I've used Nutrilytical a few times.  For the horse forage analyses at least, they appear to just take a sample split then forward it on to for analysis at Equi-Analytical.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
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Re: Frog and hoof question

Judy and Bugsy
 

Hi Heather,

If you want to take a look at Bugsy's stretched frog at the time of xrays you will find it on page 21 of his pictures, 2020-04-21 LF sole is a good picture.  It also has Lavinia's mark-ups and the xrays are on that page as well.  By marking the point of the frog, a person is able to compare the xray view with the normal view.  We were able to trim with complete confidence by marking the apex of that frog.  It really was unbelievable to me that at that time that we trimmed to the stretched frog apex.  Over the course of a few months, that stretched frog just kind of disappeared and the true frog became evident.  It really was an amazing transformation that I wouldn't have believed it without the pictures and the fact that Bugsy is my horse.  

For the Xrays I also used a key chain link (the kind that have the little metal balls) to mark the dorsal wall and plasticine to fill in the collateral grooves.  I think my vet learned something from taking the xrays with these markers (tack, key chain links, plasticine) but at the time he looked at me a bit sideways and 'humored' me.   (BTW I nipped off the length of the tack as I really had no idea how thick Bugsy's soles were and I didn't want the tack to go in too deep). 
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Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Judy%20and%20Bugsy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=243358

 




Re: How Do I Know-Winter blanketing/leg wrapping

Nancy C
 

Hi Kandace

I'd like to add further resource and personal experience.

Dr Kellon's 2015 lecture proceeding on Winter Laminitis (along with a ton of other good reading) is available here:  https://www.ecirhorse.org/proceedings-2015.php

Download is free.

IME, when it is Winter Laminitis, the wraps and sox in the boots give fairly immediate relief, with more movement. I would err on the side of can't hurt might help and see how she responds.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Looking for help reviewing Hay Analysis

Stephen & Kelly Sanwald
 

We are looking for someone to help us review hay analysis and recommend supplemental vitamins and minerals. We are willing to pay for this service. We have 3 donkeys (mini, large standard, mammoth). The mammoth has PPID and serious front hoof issues.

Any help offered will be appreciated.

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Stephen & Kelly S in CT 2020


Tests are back - looking for feedback please

Judy and Bugsy
 

Hi All,

I wanted to see what kind of effect was occurring with Bugsy since all of the changes earlier this spring (Diet/trim/exercise), as well, it was recommended that he get rechecked for PPID.  We got in on the free PPID testing with Boehinger @ Guelph this October and my vet also sent the blood samples to Cornell (miscommunication).  If you recall, the results that we got back from Cornell in the spring indicated that the samples were mishandled. 

So this time, blood samples from the same blood draw were sent to both Cornell and Guelph. (ACTH: at Guelph was 6.4 pmol/L with ref range being 2-10; at Cornell 5.77 pg/mL ref range 9 - 35).    I'm thinking that Cornell's numbers are out again for the following reasons: a) the samples took an incredibly long time to arrive at Cornell  b) the glucose is out of the reference range and c) the ACTH is out of the reference range.  The test indicated mild hemolysis (60 with the reference range for mild being 20-60 units). So, I'm wondering if ANY of the test results from Cornell would be valid seeing as the lab believes the samples were mishandled?  If the mild hemolysis number is accurate, what could be the cause of it  and what can I do about it? (My vet simply forwarded the test results to me and there's not been any discussion on the results). 

Bugsy is feeling and looking good.  He took a rip around the field and pen this morning bucking and kicking up a storm (it's -29 deg C with windchill this morning). He's been eating well and no injuries.  He was dewormed about 2 weeks ago with Quest (moxidectin). 

I've uploaded the blood test results to Bugsy's case file and I would really appreciate an experienced person's interpretation of the results.  Thanks in advance. 

 

Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Judy%20and%20Bugsy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=243358

 




Re: 2nd request Vaccinations

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Your thinking may be correct but your first step should be to discuss with your vet what your absolutely must have vaccines are,  time them close to high risk period (if there is one), avoid vaccines that cover multiple diseases in favor of singles and do vaccines at least two weeks apart.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Recommendations for next steps? Can Prascend cause this weigh loss? maybe needs to be reduced?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The exercise is why he is losing weight. Can you post a photo?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: 2nd request Vaccinations

TERRI JENNINGS
 

Thanks LJ
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Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terri%20and%20Teeny
Joined 2019


Re: Hay - As Sampled Vs Dry Matter Question

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

We use the as sampled DE to determine calories and how much to feed. When you are feeding hay, you can only weigh it as sampled. If properly dried before baling, moisture should be below 12% and won't change much from that after baled.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: How Do I Know-Winter blanketing/leg wrapping

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kandace,

Knowing what search terms to use is half the battle sometimes!  For help with searching the message archives please check this section of the Wiki: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1993 which explains how using different symbols (or quotes) when searching for a phrase can make a difference in the search results.




Re: How Do I Know-Winter blanketing/leg wrapping

Judy and Bugsy
 

Hi Kandace,

We are in a similar boat as you - not sure if we have to deal with winter laminitis.  Bugsy wears a winter blanket every night and during the day when it is about -6 and colder.  I've got shipping boots on him 24/7.  So far, he's not showing any temperature related pain but I'm ready with woolen socks and a barn if need be.  I've found with taking the precautions of a blanket and shipping boots, he is warmer all over - including his feet. 
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Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Judy%20and%20Bugsy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=243358

 




Re: How Do I Know-Winter blanketing/leg wrapping

Kandace Krause
 

Thank you Kirsten,
Always great to hear from another Canadian.  I have just been green lighted to start hand walking, 5 minutes, so I will watch for more pain in hoof with Laminitis and any pain in other three.
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K


Re: How Do I Know-Winter blanketing/leg wrapping

Kandace Krause
 

Thank you Sherry, Links are very useful and thanks for providing.  My search for winter laminitis blanketing and leg wrapping wasn't clear so now I have more specific words to search.
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K


Hay - As Sampled Vs Dry Matter Question

Firstqualityhay@...
 

I have always been of the impression that when selecting/comparing hay, dry matter analysis values should be used.

However, since joining the group, reading some of the posts and if I’m reading correctly, as sampled analysis values are recommended?

What I’m confused about is, as sampled, includes hay moisture (read weight) and over time, hay dries down and in doing so, feed content per pound increases for a given pound of hay.  So if one is metering their hay, balanced against the dietary needs of the horse, is it possible one could over feed if using as samples values?

It would seem to me the worse case feed analysis is dry matter values and a potential/reasonable swag would be the middle ground average between as sampled and dry matter analysis values.

Help me understand as samples vs dry matter in reference to balancing one’s hay.

Thanks!

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Bill J. in VA 2020
FirstQualityHay.com


Re: 2nd request Vaccinations

LJ Friedman
 


-- I’m sure you’ll get more replies. The first thing to consider is changing the manufacturer of the vaccine you’re using. That is often the cause for a reaction., the adjuvant they use etc,
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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Re: Recommendations for next steps? Can Prascend cause this weigh loss? maybe needs to be reduced?

Rhonda Turley
 

Scooter has lost a bit more weight(down to 1183lbs) now that he is back in light training ( 3 rides of 35 minutes/week plus one day of cavaletti work for 15  to 20 minutes at trot plus one day of lunging for 15 minutes with 15 minutes of walking).  He is getting free choice wet hay.

 

 


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Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020
Scooter and Rhonda     

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