Date
1 - 10 of 10
cushings horse- ATT: Dr. Kellon
--- In EquineCushings@..., "princessdi21656"
<princessdi21656@...> wrote:
pergolide. I wouldn't do it.
Eleanor
<princessdi21656@...> wrote:
There's no reason to start him on Chasteberry when he's normal on the
My 10 year old Rocky Mt horse was dx with cushings 1 yr ago. He is on
pergolide and his last ACTH level was in the normal range. I plan to
start him on chasteberry.
pergolide. I wouldn't do it.
Eleanor
princessdi21656@...
Since the chasteberry is natural would it be better for him to be on that vs. pergolide? Can chasteberry and pergolide be given together?
Quoting "Eleanor Kellon, VMD" <drkellon@...>:
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--- In EquineCushings@..., "princessdi21656"
<princessdi21656@...> wrote:There's no reason to start him on Chasteberry when he's normal on the
My 10 year old Rocky Mt horse was dx with cushings 1 yr ago. He is on
pergolide and his last ACTH level was in the normal range. I plan to
start him on chasteberry.
pergolide. I wouldn't do it.
Eleanor
Claire C. Cox-Wilson <shotgun.ranch@...>
--- In EquineCushings@..., princessdi21656@... wrote:
Could you please give us a name to address you by?
Natural is not necessarily better.
Chastetree berry seems to help with some of the symptoms of cushings
but not necessarily in lowering the ACTH. In the initial stages of
Cushing's many members started out giving CTB, but as the disease
progresses have had to switch to pergolide.
Pergolide is much more effective and quite safe in the small dosages
required for our horses.
I have seen some situations were both were given but Dr. Kellon will
have to address the reasoning for that.
I'm curious.....
What symptoms did he display to suspect cushing's?
What test was used to diagnose his cushing's ?
Do you have a pre-pergolide ACTH level?
And what is his current pergolide dosage?
If your horse symptoms are controlled & is doing well I'd leave well
enough alone.
JMHO
Claire from AZ
http://members.cox.net/shotgun.ranch
http://witcheyladycreations.com
Hello and welcome to our list!
Since the chasteberry is natural would it be better for him to be on
that vs. pergolide? Can chasteberry and pergolide be given together?
Could you please give us a name to address you by?
Natural is not necessarily better.
Chastetree berry seems to help with some of the symptoms of cushings
but not necessarily in lowering the ACTH. In the initial stages of
Cushing's many members started out giving CTB, but as the disease
progresses have had to switch to pergolide.
Pergolide is much more effective and quite safe in the small dosages
required for our horses.
I have seen some situations were both were given but Dr. Kellon will
have to address the reasoning for that.
I'm curious.....
What symptoms did he display to suspect cushing's?
What test was used to diagnose his cushing's ?
Do you have a pre-pergolide ACTH level?
And what is his current pergolide dosage?
If your horse symptoms are controlled & is doing well I'd leave well
enough alone.
JMHO
Claire from AZ
http://members.cox.net/shotgun.ranch
http://witcheyladycreations.com
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, <princessdi21656@...> wrote:
Natural or not, when it's influencing the way the body works it is a drug.
They have been used together but we have no information at all on whether
the combination is better, worse, or totally independent effects.
Let's back up a little bit first. I'm wondering about the same things as
Claire. Also, what time of year was he diagnosed and by what tests? What
were his symptoms? Has the pergolide corrected them? 10 is young to have
Cushing's. Not impossible, but unusual.
Eleanor
Quoting princessdi21656@...:Since the chasteberry is natural would it be better for him to be on
that vs. pergolide? Can chasteberry and pergolide be given together?
Natural or not, when it's influencing the way the body works it is a drug.
They have been used together but we have no information at all on whether
the combination is better, worse, or totally independent effects.
Let's back up a little bit first. I'm wondering about the same things as
Claire. Also, what time of year was he diagnosed and by what tests? What
were his symptoms? Has the pergolide corrected them? 10 is young to have
Cushing's. Not impossible, but unusual.
Eleanor
Eleanor M. Kellon, V.M.D.
Equine Nutritional Solutions
58 Maple Farm Road
Ephrata, PA 17522
princessdi21656@...
Henry had a cresty neck which I thought might be his thyroid. I had the vet do blood work and the results came back that his ACTH level was elevated. The vet said he was pretty sure he had cushings. The IR testing was never done. Henry was put on pergolide 1mg daily and has normal ACTH levels now.Thanks for your input.
Diane
.Quoting "Claire C. Cox-Wilson" <shotgun.ranch@...>:
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--- In EquineCushings@..., princessdi21656@... wrote:
Since the chasteberry is natural would it be better for him to be on
that vs. pergolide? Can chasteberry and pergolide be given together?Natural is not necessarily better.Claire from AZ
JMHO
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Claire C. Cox-Wilson <shotgun.ranch@...>
--- In EquineCushings@..., princessdi21656@... wrote:
Depending on what time of year his ACTH level was done, he might not
be Cushing's at all. It may have been a seasonal high. A cresty neck
is a symptom of Insulin Resistance. A long, curly coat that doesn't
shed, increased water intake and output and lethargy are typical signs
of cushing's. My advice is to check him for IR with a glucose and
insulin level from the same blood draw. If he is indeed IR, the
management would be diet not pergolide. I wouldn't put it off for too
long or laminitis could be your next symptom.
Claire from AZ
http://members.cox.net/shotgun.ranch
http://witcheyladycreations.com
Diane
Henry had a cresty neck which I thought might be his thyroid. I had
the vet do blood work and the results came back that his ACTH level
was elevated. The vet said he was pretty sure he had cushings. The IR
testing was never done. Henry was put on pergolide 1mg daily and has
normal ACTH levels now.Thanks for your input.
Diane
Depending on what time of year his ACTH level was done, he might not
be Cushing's at all. It may have been a seasonal high. A cresty neck
is a symptom of Insulin Resistance. A long, curly coat that doesn't
shed, increased water intake and output and lethargy are typical signs
of cushing's. My advice is to check him for IR with a glucose and
insulin level from the same blood draw. If he is indeed IR, the
management would be diet not pergolide. I wouldn't put it off for too
long or laminitis could be your next symptom.
Claire from AZ
http://members.cox.net/shotgun.ranch
http://witcheyladycreations.com
princessdi21656 <princessdi21656@...>
Henry was initially dx with cushings in July 2006- 8 years old at
that time, with an ACTH of 59.1 on 7/27/06. Thyroid levels were
normal. He was overweight and had a cresty neck and some fat deposits
at the hip area. He was started on pergolide 1 mg. The vet also
started him on short term thyroid medication for weight loss; not for
hypothyroidism. On 8/28/06 his ACTH was 32.5. On 6/2007 his ACTH was
34.5 and he was still on pergolide 1mg. Prior to being dx I never
noticed an increase in water intake or lethargy and still do not
notice these s/s. He sheds out in the Spring. He never had IR testing
done.
Spoke to our new vet office this morning regarding getting a ACTH
level and IR testing. The vet is going to review the history 1st. I
was told he might want Henry to go off of the pergolide for a month
and then check his ACTH level. Perhaps the intial 59.1 was a one time
thing. I am anxious to hear back from him. What are your thoughts?
-- In EquineCushings@..., "Eleanor Kellon" <drkellon@...>
wrote:
that time, with an ACTH of 59.1 on 7/27/06. Thyroid levels were
normal. He was overweight and had a cresty neck and some fat deposits
at the hip area. He was started on pergolide 1 mg. The vet also
started him on short term thyroid medication for weight loss; not for
hypothyroidism. On 8/28/06 his ACTH was 32.5. On 6/2007 his ACTH was
34.5 and he was still on pergolide 1mg. Prior to being dx I never
noticed an increase in water intake or lethargy and still do not
notice these s/s. He sheds out in the Spring. He never had IR testing
done.
Spoke to our new vet office this morning regarding getting a ACTH
level and IR testing. The vet is going to review the history 1st. I
was told he might want Henry to go off of the pergolide for a month
and then check his ACTH level. Perhaps the intial 59.1 was a one time
thing. I am anxious to hear back from him. What are your thoughts?
-- In EquineCushings@..., "Eleanor Kellon" <drkellon@...>
wrote:
be on
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM, <princessdi21656@...> wrote:Quoting princessdi21656@...:Since the chasteberry is natural would it be better for him to
together?>that vs. pergolide? Can chasteberry and pergolide be given
Let's back up a little bit first. I'm wondering about the samethings as
Claire. Also, what time of year was he diagnosed and by what tests?What
were his symptoms? Has the pergolide corrected them? 10 is young tohave
Cushing's. Not impossible, but unusual.
Eleanor
Eleanor M. Kellon, V.M.D.
Equine Nutritional Solutions
58 Maple Farm Road
Ephrata, PA 17522
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princessdi21656 <princessdi21656@...>
Claire-
Dr. Kellon was asking the same questions.
I just replied to her. Please check that reply and let me know what
you think. Thanks.
Diane
--- In EquineCushings@..., "Claire C. Cox-Wilson"
<shotgun.ranch@...> wrote:
Dr. Kellon was asking the same questions.
I just replied to her. Please check that reply and let me know what
you think. Thanks.
Diane
--- In EquineCushings@..., "Claire C. Cox-Wilson"
<shotgun.ranch@...> wrote:
had
--- In EquineCushings@..., princessdi21656@ wrote:
Henry had a cresty neck which I thought might be his thyroid. I
levelthe vet do blood work and the results came back that his ACTH
signswas elevated. The vet said he was pretty sure he had cushings. >Diane
Diane
Depending on what time of year his ACTH level was done, he might not
be Cushing's at all. It may have been a seasonal high. A cresty neck
is a symptom of Insulin Resistance. A long, curly coat that doesn't
shed, increased water intake and output and lethargy are typical
of cushing's. My advice is to check him for IR with a glucose andtoo
insulin level from the same blood draw. If he is indeed IR, the
management would be diet not pergolide. I wouldn't put it off for
long or laminitis could be your next symptom.
Claire from AZ
http://members.cox.net/shotgun.ranch
http://witcheyladycreations.com
Sharon Tydell <flaxenmare@...>
Hi, Claire,
My Morgan mare had a huge, hard cresty neck when she was diagnosed with Insulin Resistance and negative for Cushings. She was lame with laminitis for three months before a smart veterinarian correctly diagnosed her with IR. Since changing from Alfalfa hay to Bermuda/Timothy Hay and getting off the Equine Senior, her neck went down and softened up, and she lost weight. I'd still like to put some weight on her, but the vet says she's fine and she hasn't had a lameness problem since, and it's been two years.
Sharon & Angel
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My Morgan mare had a huge, hard cresty neck when she was diagnosed with Insulin Resistance and negative for Cushings. She was lame with laminitis for three months before a smart veterinarian correctly diagnosed her with IR. Since changing from Alfalfa hay to Bermuda/Timothy Hay and getting off the Equine Senior, her neck went down and softened up, and she lost weight. I'd still like to put some weight on her, but the vet says she's fine and she hasn't had a lameness problem since, and it's been two years.
Sharon & Angel
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