I started my mare on jiaogulan a few weeks back and she's been
abcessing ever since. Yesterday her pain got so bad her respiration
increased and she began to sweat on her chest. I gave her a gram a
bute to ease the pain. The abcess opened some overnight and she's
walking a little better today. We've been through this a few times
where I intervene with the bute when her respiration and sweat
increases. I then start her up on the jiaogulan again the following
day. Is this the correct protocol. I've heard that too much pain may
increase insulin levels. Does anyone know about this?
thanks
michelle o

I gave her a gram a
bute to ease the pain.

I don't have any advice about jiaogulan, but wanted to share my
abscess strategy. Maybe you're already doing all of this, or
something similar/better, but since you didn't mention anything except
giving her a gram of Bute, I thought I'd share...

1.) Soak 20+ minutes in warm Epsom salts solution. I find that the
wide, rubber feed dishes work best for hoof soaking. I'm talking
about the ones that are about 8-12 inches tall and 12+ inches in
diameter. I like the rubber ones because if the horse steps on the
edge, it just squashes down and doesn't cause a big 'event' like you
might have with a horse stepping on the edge of a hard plastic bucket.

2.) After soaking, poultice with Animalintex. When I'm doing legs, I
actually prefer Uptite, but Animalintex is better for hooves. You can
either cut out a roughly hoof shaped piece from the roll, or you can
buy one of the pre-cut hoof pieces they are now selling. Either way,
you want to soak the poultice pad with warm/hot water, put it on the
hoof, and then wrap over it with Vetwrap. Then you want to put duct
tape over the Vetwrap. You should cover the entire bottom and edges
of the hoof/Vetwrap (preferably twice), but (obviously) not stick it
directly to the horse. There are two good ways to do this. Either
make a square of duct tape before you begin the poulticing process and
then slap your pre-made square on the hoof as you finish, or use ~8-12
inch long strips and cross hatch them back and forth over the bottom
of the hoof. I prefer the latter strategy, but have known other folks
that preferred the former. The duct tape will help hold in the
moisture of the poultice, as well as (more importantly) preventing the
Vetwrap from tearing. My experience is that there is no point in
doing the poultice if you're not going to use duct tape to protect it.
If you're confident in your hoof wrapping abilities, leave it on
overnight. If not, at least try to get several hours out of it.

Good luck, and please pardon me for going off on this tangent if you
were already doing something along these lines.

Rebecca

Hi Michelle,

Jiaogulan works as being a nitric oxide stimulator. It has been found
that the formation of abscesses appear to be speeded up on jiaogulan.

Bute blocks the effects of jiaogulan.

In this post, 97480, Dr. Kellon talks a lot about bute and jiaogulan,
although she talks about another drug also.

I wouldn't use bute with jiaogulan in the treatment of abscesses. And
abscesses will be extremely painful, but once they resolve, the pain
dissipates.

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "blue6631" <rubyivireo@...>
wrote:

I started my mare on jiaogulan a few weeks back and she's been
abcessing ever since.

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Joan and Dazzle"
<horsies4luv@...> wrote:

Hi Michelle,

I wouldn't use bute with jiaogulan in the treatment of abscesses. >

Joan and Dazzle

Hi Joan:
I researched about the jherb before I put her on it. My mare seems
to be sesponding exceptionally well to it. However, the pain gets to
be so bad her respirtion icreases and she begins to sweat. I've heard
pain can have detrimental effects so I was wondering at what point do
you say this horse is in too much pain?
thanks
michelle o

--- In EquineCushings@..., "blue6631" <rubyivireo@>
wrote:

I started my mare on jiaogulan a few weeks back and she's been
abcessing ever since.

--- In EquineCushings@..., "blue6631" <rubyivireo@...>
wrote:

However, the pain gets to

be so bad her respirtion icreases and she begins to sweat. I've

heard

pain can have detrimental effects so I was wondering at what point do
you say this horse is in too much pain?
thanks

Try to refrain from interfering with the process unless she stops
eating and drinking. You can give her some relief with warm soaks, or
even warm alternating with cold. If your vet doesn't want you to soak,
or she's draining out her soles, you could poltice with either
Numotizine or sugar mixed with Sore-No-More The Sauce, an Arnica based
liniment with iodine in it.

Eleanor
www.drkellon.com

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Joan and Dazzle"
<horsies4luv@...> wrote:

Hi Michelle,

Jiaogulan works as being a nitric oxide stimulator. It has been found
that the formation of abscesses appear to be speeded up on jiaogulan.

Bute blocks the effects of jiaogulan.

In this post, 97480, Dr. Kellon talks a lot about bute and jiaogulan,
although she talks about another drug also.

I wouldn't use bute with jiaogulan in the treatment of abscesses. And
abscesses will be extremely painful, but once they resolve, the pain
dissipates.

Joan and Dazzle

--- In EquineCushings@..., "blue6631" <rubyivireo@>
wrote:

I started my mare on jiaogulan a few weeks back and she's been
abcessing ever since.

I'm completely in the dark about this herbal. I've researched it a bit
through google but still do not understand its relationship to
abscessing of the hoof ... or at least I presume given the answers and
advice here it involves the sole of the hoof and abscesses.

Would someone be willing to take a moment and explain this to me ...
what the intention is in using it, and how it is used?

Thanks,

Donald R.

Hi Donald,

Have you had a chance to check out our Files?If not go to Files,scroll
down to Jiaogulan... etc.,and there is a file on Jiaogulan there.It
will probably answer your question,but if not let us know where it
falls short,ok?

Lorna