Laying Down


lgriff6540
 

Greatly appreciate guidance on these topic - we have been fighting a mechanically induced founder - from a botched resection for the past 25 months - for some time he has been laying down a lot but has been able to stand four or 5 times a day for periods of 20 minutes up to an hour or more - depending on the day. Matrix is a 12 year old QH.

As of yesterday - he has been down since 2 pm yesterday. We have not been able to get him to stand. He seems to be having problems with his hind end - have a body worker coming this afternoon in case she can figure out what is going on.

He is eating, drinking and doing all bodiy functions laying down - is in good spirits, bright eyes......

Two Questions -

1. how long can a horse lay down before serious complications arise?
2. what should I do to help him?

Thank you very much for any advice you can give. I love my horse very much - and want to do the best things for him.

Lindy & Matrix 8/2010


Elva J Mico
 

Hi Lindy,
I am not one of the experts here but I do hope the moderators will respond to you with some advice. I can only tell you that my experience has been that a horse can lay down for a couple of days, and note that my "experience" is with two horses, and then get up on the third and walk around. I don't know if sometimes they just need to rest in order for repair and recovery to begin or what but good that you have a body person coming. See how things are after she does her thing.

Elva and Angel Satin
Corrales, NM
June 2004




Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010 wrote:

Greatly appreciate guidance on these topic - we have been fighting a
mechanically induced founder - from a botched resection for the past
25 months - for some time he has been laying down a lot but has been
able to stand four or 5 times a day for periods of 20 minutes up to
an hour or more - depending on the day. Matrix is a 12 year old QH.
As of yesterday - he has been down since 2 pm yesterday. We have not
been able to get him to stand. He seems to be having problems with
his hind end - have a body worker coming this afternoon in case she
can figure out what is going on.
He is eating, drinking and doing all bodiy functions laying down - is
in good spirits, bright eyes......
Two Questions -
1. how long can a horse lay down before serious complications arise?
2. what should I do to help him?
Thank you very much for any advice you can give. I love my horse
very much - and want to do the best things for him.
Lindy & Matrix 8/2010
--
Elva
I was a dancer. One night at a gypsy camp, I drank a potion meant for
another and lost my heart to a horse named Satin.


Elva J Mico
 

Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010 wrote:
Two Questions -
1. how long can a horse lay down before serious complications arise?
2. what should I do to help him?
I forgot to say that with him lying down you should offer water several times a day so that he does not get dehydrated.

Elva and Angel Satin
Corrales, NM
June 2004


Elva J Mico
 

Replies to this are being sent privately to me, Elva. However, the horse in question is in Florida and belongs to Lindy. I have left her post to the Cushings list below. I have forwarded the PM's to her, but I think it would be better to send directly to her or to answer on the list. Thanks so much tho, for caring and for responding to Lindy.

Lindy's email <griff6540@...> or reply to <EquineCushings@...>

Elva/Corrales, NM/June 2004

Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010 wrote:

Greatly appreciate guidance on these topic - we have been fighting a
mechanically induced founder - from a botched resection for the past
25 months - for some time he has been laying down a lot but has been
able to stand four or 5 times a day for periods of 20 minutes up to
an hour or more - depending on the day. Matrix is a 12 year old QH.
As of yesterday - he has been down since 2 pm yesterday. We have not
been able to get him to stand. He seems to be having problems with
his hind end - have a body worker coming this afternoon in case she
can figure out what is going on.
He is eating, drinking and doing all bodiy functions laying down - is
in good spirits, bright eyes......
Two Questions -
1. how long can a horse lay down before serious complications arise?
2. what should I do to help him?
Thank you very much for any advice you can give. I love my horse
very much - and want to do the best things for him.
Lindy & Matrix 8/2010


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010" <lgriff6540@...> wrote:

Greatly appreciate guidance on these topic - we have been fighting a mechanically induced founder - from a botched resection for the past 25 months -
Hi Lindy,

Do you have a case history and photos/radiographs posted? Why was the resection done in the first place? Was anything done to help stabilize the hoof wall afterwards?

Horses in flat out lateral recumbency for a long period of time can develop lung issues or muscle issues from pressure. If they move frequently and are often sternal, this isn't so much of a problem.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


lgriff6540
 

Dr. Kellon,

My friend Susan has 2 + years of photos and radiographs - She helped me after the orginal person almost killed Matrix. I will have her post them into the case history so you can see where we have been. It has been a very long bumpy road.

We have almost made it so many times - as for the original resection (Novemeber of 09) - Matrix had undiagnosed white line - was told by my vet that an anerobic bacteria ate his hoof wall up to the coronet band. My vet said he needed a resection and suggested "the best" person for the job. This was a fatal error on my part - this person turned out to be an absolute disgrace - he almost hit the coffin bone - even with the benefit of radiographs - Matrix had not rotated until the resection. This person put on acrylics, and egg bar shoes (one was cracked when he put it on) no support for the coffin bone. The shoes remained on until I noticed blood from the bottom of the hoof - and was told Matrix had penetrated and he needed a tetenotomy - which I didn't do. In addition to the cracked shoe - there was mold on the hoof as well. It was really quite sad and I hate to even think about it. He has been doing OK in pads and slippers - and sometime soft rides - I greatly appreciate your response - but am afraid most of the value in our photos will be a post mortum. Matrix has been pretty much flat out since Thursday at 2 pm - he has something going on in his shoulder - may have injured it laying down or getting up earlier that day. He had magna wave treatments today some hyperium - some cranial sacral and med point laser - hoping he able to at least sit up soon. He has been slowly losing ground the past few weeks.

Over the past few years we have used medical maggots, body work, natural trims and diet to try to get the hooves under control. Last April it seemed we were almost where we needed to be - Matrix was able to walk about a mile - then he crashed and has made baby steps forward - then set backs - refoundered a few months ago.

Sorry to babble - am drained both physically and emotionally right now.

Greatly appreciate you and everyone else in the group responding. Over the past few years I have leared alot from you and the members. It is an amazing network.

--- In EquineCushings@..., "drkellon" <drkellon@...> wrote:

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010" <lgriff6540@> wrote:

Greatly appreciate guidance on these topic - we have been fighting a mechanically induced founder - from a botched resection for the past 25 months -
Hi Lindy,

Do you have a case history and photos/radiographs posted? Why was the resection done in the first place? Was anything done to help stabilize the hoof wall afterwards?

Horses in flat out lateral recumbency for a long period of time can develop lung issues or muscle issues from pressure. If they move frequently and are often sternal, this isn't so much of a problem.

Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Co-owner
Feb 2001


skyappy95
 

Have you tho't of trying casting?
www.Equicast.com
sky
oregon 2009

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010" <lgriff6540@...> wrote:

Greatly appreciate guidance on these topic - we have been fighting a mechanically induced founder - from a botched resection for the past 25 months - for some time he has been laying down a lot but has been able to stand four or 5 times a day for periods of 20 minutes up to an hour or more - depending on the day. Matrix is a 12 year old QH.
Lindy & Matrix 8/2010


gypsylassie
 

--- In EquineCushings@..., "Lindy Max and Matrix joined 8 2010" <lgriff6540@...> wrote:

We have almost made it so many times ...... Matrix has been pretty much flat out since Thursday at 2 pm.....
Sorry to babble - am drained both physically and emotionally right now.
Lindy, My heart aches for you and Matrix tonight. It sounds like you've both been thru so much. There are no words....will be thinking of you tomorrow.
Laura K. Chappie & Beau N.IL. Nov. 2011