Question on Beet Pulp & Flax seed
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KC
I'm working toward mineral balancing my horse diet. I'm looking into using beet pulp as a carrier. I know you have to soak & rinse it twice and it can go rancid after this. How long does it take before it becomes unsafe to feed after its soaked? I tried looking for answer for this but didn't have any luck. The reason I ask is I have to prepared her morning meal the night before. I assume temperature will affect how quickly it will go bad. Also, is the ground flax seed from a feed store stabilized? I looked on the tag but it doesn't really tell me whole lot. Or would it be better to get it from a place like Horsetech. Thanks Kathy in Ohio Sept'13 |
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palomino.1982@att.net <palomino.1982@...>
Hi Kathy-
Here is a link to our Files- this is a great write-up on beet pulp ( BP ). http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/EquineCushings/files/Beet%20Pulp/ Neo has made opening the files and searching a bit tedious.........so if you have any problems, let us know and we will help. In a nutshell- you can rinse/soak/rinse BP til water runs clear, place in a ziplock bag, refrigerate for 3-4 days. You can also freeze the BP and place in the refrigerator for defrosting. If your barn has a refrigerator, you would be able to make up a supply and store on site. Flax- we recommend feeding human grade flax. Feed grade whole flax seed has cracked seeds that become rancid quickly. Omega Fields, Horses Tech have ground stabilized flax. Many ( including me ) buy bulk brown flax seed from 'health' food stores, and grind it daily. You can also grind up a weeks worth- refrigerate in an air tight container. Susan EC Primary Response San Diego 1.07 |
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KC
Thanks for the link to the beet pulp file. I knew I saw it somewhere. Unfortunately, I don't have a refrigerator in my barn. That's why I asked since it would be left in my tackroom overnight. I'm not always the person who feeds her in the morning. So, I wasn't sure if it would hold up without refrigeration especially in the summer. I don't want to make my girl ill. One more question on the flaxseed. Isn't there something about the calcium:phosphorus ratio that I need to be careful of when feeding fresh grounded flaxseed? I remember reading that somewhere but I don't remember if it was from this group or somewhere else. Thanks Kathy in Ohio Sept'13 |
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palomino.1982@att.net <palomino.1982@...>
Kathy,
OK, so no refrigerator. If you have access to electricity, you could purchase a small dorm room size one and store BP in that. Or you might be able to leave a bag of frozen ready-to-eat BP in your tack room overnight to thaw and serve the following morning. You would have to see how the defrosting process goes. I would imagine that it would be mostly thawed and still quite cold. More on flax: This is from an archived post: ' Horsetech balances the naturally occurring phosphorous and potassium in the NutraFlax product with calcium. Website says Nutra-Flax is food grade full-fat milled flaxseed that has been enhanced with high quality calcium carbonate in order to bring the calcium to phosphorus ratio into a range that is more suitable for use in equine diets. <http://www.horsetech.com/nutra-flax.htm> The ingredients list is flax and calcium carbonate. IOW, they balance the NutraFlax to itself. If you are feeding 2-4 ounces of fresh ground flax, and your minerals are balanced to your hay, there is only a small amount of phosphorous being added to the overall diet (360 mg per 2 oz) so you do not need to add more Calcium to balance fresh ground flax. Lots of members also use Horseshine, and yes, for most it is fine. Horseshine has yeast added to it. (As does one of the Horsetech products BioFlax 20) A few mares (and some geldings, I think) have reported issues with yeast. Most of those folks have resolved those issues using one of these plain flax choices - HorseTech's NutraFlax or fresh ground or Flax oil.' Hope this helps you out........... Susan EC Primary Response San Diego 1.07 ______________________________________________________________ |
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KC
I might have to do some experimenting on how to keep the beet pulp. I had a refrigerator in my barn several years ago but never used it so I got rid of it. I might have reconsider that decision.
I guess I didn't have anything worry about on the calcium:phosphorus ratio for the flax seed. I just couldn't find the amounts to know for sure.
Horseshine looks like a good option to use. It looks like it might be more tastier to her than plain flax seed due to the ground oats in it. It also looks like it would be a good starter base for mineral supplementing which I have been looking for. I don't know about the yeast though. I guess I just have try it and see what happens. What type of symptoms do I need to look for if she has issues with it? Thanks for answering all my questions. It has really helped.
Kathy in Ohio
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palomino.1982@att.net <palomino.1982@...>
Kathy-
Some horse are sensitive to yeast - with gas/bloating. Susan EC Primary Response San Diego 1.07 __________________________________________________________ I don't know about the yeast though. I guess I just have try it and see what happens. What type of symptoms do I need to look for if she has issues with it? |
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Allana KERELUK
So - my horse seems to be one who has bloating and gas from yeast AND flax. All of the custom-mixed supplements I've found so far are flax based - is there a company out there that is not using flax as a base for custom supplements?
Thanks!! Allana and Mojave Moon Feb. 2012 Northern IL |
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palomino.1982@...
Allana,
HorseTech will make a custom mix - distiller grains are substituted. www.horsetech.com Susan EC Primary Response San Diego 1.07 |
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Allana KERELUK
HorseTech will make a custom mix - distiller grains are substituted.
Thank you, Susan!! Allana and Mojave Moon Feb. 2012 Northern IL |
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d2allen@...
Do any of these things cause bloating and gas? Beet pulp, ground stabilized flax, yeast (i.e., selenium yeast).
Are distiller grains safe for an IR horse? I thought anything with "grain" was a no no. Thanks, Deidre E.C. 2002 Pacific NW Allana, HorseTech will make a custom mix - distiller grains are substituted. www.horsetech.com Susan EC Primary Response San Diego 1.07 |
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Hi Deidre
Here's a snip from Dr Kellon's blog on byproducts http://uckeleequine.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/more-on-by-products/soybean/ "Distillers/Brewers Dried Grains are produced after corn, sorghum or other grains are used to make beer or other alcoholic beverages. The grains are ground, added to hot water and combined with yeast to ferment the starch content to ethanol. This produces a feed that is very safe for insulin resistant horses because the starch has been fermented. It is high protein, highly palatable and even has probiotic properties from the Saccharomyces yeast fermentation products." Of the three other products you mentioned I would suspect the yeast. A very few horses have reported issues with flax. beet pulp is usually tolerated very well most likely not an issue. Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 Learn the facts about IR, PPID, equine nutrition, exercise and the foot. www.ECIRhorse.org Check out the FACTS on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ECIRGroup Support the ECIR Group Inc., the nonprofit arm of the ECIR Group http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/non-profit-group |
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