Cold and Insulin
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Rita Creitz
Hello All....just wondering what causes the cold to increase insulin. I was planning to re-test ACTH and insulin this month, but if the cold increases the insulin, I'd get an elevated result, right? Should I wait? Thanks in advance!! Rita and Houdon Gaithersburg, MD Sept 2013 |
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Donna Powell
---In EquineCushings@..., <rc4scooter@...> wrote : Hello All....just wondering what causes the cold to increase insulin. I Rita and Houdon Gaithersburg, MD Sept 2013
I would like to know as well because I tested for Insulin/ACTH/Glucose/Leptin just after the coldest weather of the year. While it wasn't in the middle of the coldest it was 2 days afterwards and still colder than it had been. And the glucose AND insulin was lower than it ever has been.....what the dickens?
Donna, Beaufot, SC ECIR May2011 |
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Hi Rita and Donna
Here's my lay person review.....Insulin is driven by hormones in reaction to the cold. It definitely increases insulin. University research has had to stop due to cold weather. It's been my personal experience as well. General recs are to wait until "spring". That will come earlier to you than to me. I try to wait until temps are above 40 degrees. Donna - your recent lower insulin could be driven by warmer temps, better control of PPID or other diagnosis issues, better control of diet. Need a case history for more detail. Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 Invest in the health of your horse and help ECIR Group nonprofit at the same time! Hear Drs Kellon, Bowker and more, in eight hours of great info and informative Q&A from 2013 NO Laminitis! Conference. Conference Proceedings & Recordings
---In EquineCushings@..., <rc4scooter@...> wrote : Hello All....just wondering what causes the cold to increase insulin. I was planning to re-test ACTH and insulin this month, but if the cold increases the insulin, I'd get an elevated result, right? Should I wait? |
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Rita Creitz
Hi Nancy,
Thanks for the info. I'll wait to test insulin, then. So, now I'm wondering....I've noticed a bit of puffiness above Houdon's eyes these past days....nothing changed in his mineral-balanced diet or turnout, etc....possibly caused by this natural insulin increase? Should I do anything? He's not rideable since we're still recovering from prior laminitis and major hoof changes, so more exercise is not much of an option. Boy, they always give ya somethin' to worry about.... Thanks in advance! Rita and Houdon Gaithersburg, MD Sept 2013
---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote : Hi Rita and Donna Here's my lay person review.....Insulin is driven by hormones in reaction to the cold. It definitely increases insulin. U |
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Donna Powell
Nancy, I too would like to give you the history. I would also like to edit the history I have in History 8 and add the new info. I am not able to access the history, edit the history or provide the link. I do know how to highlight and copy and paste but Yahoo or Neo or whatever prevents me from doing anything about this. And while on the subject I am unable to properly reply to posts. Cannot erase extra stuff etc. I am totally frustrated with Yahoo/Neo/Whatever and if my horse did not mean so much to me I would have given up long ago, believe me. Whenever I try to work in this site I have all kinds of computer problems from not opening, or if I am lucky enough to open it can't use it....I am just so frustrated and hate it so much I could spit nails! I just do not know what to do to comply with the rules of this site. I do not have a problem with the rules, they are reasonable, I do have a huge problem with Yahoo/Neo and have no way of fixing it....have tried for over 6 months and am ready to throw in the towel, The low glucose number of 66 concerns me. I do not believe the IR is all that controlled and am concerned that too low a glucose number means something serious. If I ask my vet I am certain the "fix" would not be the right one....been down that road too many times. My not correct history is in History 8 under Donna in Beaufort, SC.. As I cannot correct the errors or even add the new info I do not see that it is of any help. Now what? Donna ECIR2011 Beaufort, SC |
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Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Donna,
You can send your updates directly to either LeeAnne, the ECIR Archivist, or to one of the mods privately. We will help you get around all the BS that Neo presents. The first thing that a glucose of 66 calls to mind is sample mishandling or fasting before the tests. Lavinia, Dante, George Too and Peanut Jan 05, RI EC Support Team |
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Hi Donna
I don't know why you are having such problems. NEO is a pain for sure but you should not be totally shut out, all the time, for all lists. My suggestion is to unsubscribe for all ECIR Group lists you are on - the main list, ECH8, Horsekeeping,etc - and re-up with a new yahoo email, ID and password. I think you are on Dr Kellon's ezine so you may have to do the same for that as well. I haven't heard that you were unable to access those files. Make sure you know how to access your yahoo groups and email info. I agree with Lavinia that the blood handling is an issue. The swelling of orbital fat would be a symptom of increased insulin. Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 FACT: Sensory nerves in the foot can be activated via tactile light pressure receptors and can affect vascular perfusion through the foot bringing more comfort to the horse. See RM Bowker, VMD, PhD, Nerves, Nerves, Nerves: Why Are They So Important To The Horse? 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.
---In EquineCushings@..., <midnightstarulysses@...> wrote : I do not have a problem with the rules, they are reasonable, I do have a huge problem with Yahoo/Neo and have no way of fixing it....have tried for over 6 months and am ready to throw in the towel, The low glucose number of 66 concerns me. |
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Rita Creitz
Hi Nancy,
Re that orbital fat....Houdon is getting magnesium in his mineral supplement. He also gets about 9g of ALCAR. Should I give him more? Or give him something else? Or a combination of something? p.s. I read and highlighted all of Dr. Bowker's articles from the symposium....fascinating! I surprised myself getting really interested in how the hoof works....a complicated mechanism for sure, with an amazing capacity for recovery from the worst conditions if given the right care. Best, Rita and Houdon Gaithersburg, MD Sept 2013
---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote : The swelling of orbital fat would be a symptom of increased insulin. |
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Hi Rita
I don't think Is saw that you were balancing the minerals to your tested hay. IF that is right, just giving more mag may or may not be needed and may help or make things worse. Mag is huge for help with IR but it needs to be balanced with Calcium If you know all this, forgive me. :-) IF you are testing and balancing you hay your may be able to add more and make the ratio tighter. So glad you are enjoying the Bowker proceedings. when you get through those, heck our Dr Kellon's, specifically on Minerals and IR for your current situation. See link below my sig Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 FACT: With knowledge of the nutrient profile of the forage and the animal's weight and level of work, one can supplement only what is needed to target nutritional needs. See Smithey and Gustafson, Nutrition Complexities and Mineral Profiles of Hay 2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.
---In EquineCushings@..., <rc4scooter@...> wrote : p.s. I read and highlighted all of Dr. Bowker's articles from the symposium....fascinating! I surprised myself getting really interested in how the hoof works....a complicated mechanism for sure, with an amazing capacity for recovery from the worst conditions if given the right care.
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Sara Gooch
Nancy, Speaking of magnesium and the calcium to magnesium ratio, what problems might excess magnesium cause in an IR/PPID horse? Is that calcium to magnesium ratio for an IR horse the same as the recommended calcium to magnesium ratio for a non-IR horse? I know I've seen this somewhere in the files, but can't find it now. Thanks for your help-- Sincerely, Sara, 2011 NE California |
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Rita Creitz
Hi Nancy,
Yes, I have had my minerals balanced to my hay. Kathleen did that for me. Maybe I should just check with her to see what she recommends. Thanks a bunch, Rita ---In EquineCushings@..., <threecatfarm@...> wrote : Hi Rita I don't think Is saw that you were balancing the minerals to your tested hay. |
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