Aggressive trims?


lj friedman
 

So. I need to get new hoof pix posted..  Jesse has a trim last week and I told the farrier to be super conservative because his last trim caused soreness. Farrier agreed and said " so you are ok without doing the aggressive trims your cushings group wants you to do? " . I said do what you want but I'd rather you kiss his feet only before causing any soreness.. No soreness noted from this recent trim. .. SO, are the trim suggestions that we use, aggressive?  ( My farrier is one that just went to a 4 day seminar where they worked on cadaver horse legs. etc., she is always learning..  . )  lj friedman san diego nov 2014. 


Lorna Cane
 


>So. I need to get new hoof pix posted.. 


Let us know when you have them up,Lj.



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Kathy Brinkerhoff
 

Lj, 

Is this the same farrier who said the following:

Post # 8989 EC Hoof

I sent all the information you sent to me, meaning pictures and markups and explanations to my Farrier and this was her reply.:

Thank you for information. It was well written and I am in agreement with its content. See you Tuesday.

Thanks again. For markups and detailed step by step guidance Lj friedman san diego 

Didn't you have another vet/trimmer say that Lavinia's mark ups and recommendations were excellent?

Good idea to put up the hoof pix.  

Kathy Brinkerhoff

SE/WI  10/12





Nancy C
 

HI lj

Discovery and negotiation of the rules and philosophies of various trim approaches is an interesting path. What were the answers to specific follow up questions to your your farrier ?  What is aggressive in her opinion?  How does she describe aggressive specifically? What would she not be changing and why?  What does she expect to see as a result of this "aggressive trim" versus what she would propose and why?


Here's the blurb from ECHoof that outlines the ECIR approach:

Our goal is to give people with widely divergent hoof care backgrounds useful, comprehensive information about the often confusing and costly subject of rehabilitating laminitic/foundered feet.

It is not a barefoot only list, nor is it a teach you how to trim list. We endorse only one style of hoof care: careful, thorough, and ongoing evaluation of each horse's situation. This includes external hoof shape and condition, position and condition of internal structures, and relevant aspects of diet, environment, housing and footing.

The goal is to identify issues and offer suggestions as to achieving realignment, comfort and healing. Discussion can include all available options, with review and adjustment as needed. We do not advocate a particular method or name; barefoot, booted, glued, or nailed appliances may be useful.

With laminitis/founder, most benefit from nothing nailed on to allow frequent realigning trims. Styrofoam, boots, pads, or other products may help support the internal hoof structures, greatly increasing the animal's comfort, often reducing the total amount of necessary drugs. In some cases, other appliances or specialized shoes may be useful. Individual cases may be discussed, based on the case history of the equine, as well as any emerging therapy approaches. Keep discussions of specific PPID and IR equines on the main EC list!


We've been talking a lot about pain in the last few weeks.  IME, trim - or lack there of - is a cornerstone that so many people, pro or lay person do not fully appreciate.

 

More here

http://ecirhorse.org/index.php/laminitis
Realigning Trim

 

Also see Bowker proceedings in the links after my signature.

Looking forward to the pictures.

Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003

FACT: Positive or negative changes to the foot accumulate over a period of months and years. See RM Bowker, VMD, PhD, The Vascular Cushion Of The Frog What Does It Do?  2013 NO Laminitis! Proceedings, Equine Cushing's and Insulin Resistance Group Inc.