Seasonal rise


Barbara Vincent
 

I'm afraid I get a bit addled by the number of steps required and hoops to jump through on this site, but this recreant would still like  help trying to avoid fall founder.   I did make a start on a CH form last spring, and I had several tests done, and repeated, but for some couldn't read or understand the results (leptin, etc.) from Cornell sent by my vet.
  My 8 year old mini horse, Lily, had laminitis around Thanksgiving last year.  At first I thought it was due to premature removal of her grazing muzzle; however, her ACTH indicated Cushings.  She has done well on 1 mg pergolide--at first Prascend, currently Wedgewood pharmacy Gourmeds.  She shed out this summer and  was peppy--her feet were not painful.  I pony, drive, or longe her 3-4X a week, so she gets more exercise than many a mini, and she is pretty well muscled.  I do let her graze, with a muzzle, a least 1/2 day; she also get the odd carrot, and a jigger or two of Miniature Horse Purina pellets.  I know I don't follow the regime prescribed here, but we do soak the hay and try to cut down on sugar.  Not being a very quick study, I haven't found the time to analyze everything in her lifestyle.  I also am a whole foods person for myself, and would rather let her get her vitamins from pasture than restrict her and supplement. 
  But, I could try to restrict her grazing in the fall if this was very important, OR, as I would rather do, up the dose of pergolide at this time, if this was indicated.  Any suggestions?



takarri@...
 

 

HI Barbara,

 

I agree it can be a bit frustrating at times, trying to navigate Yahoo- learning a different way of horse keeping and taking in all the good advice given.  We don’t ask you to “jump through hoops “for the sheer fun of it, the DDTE protocol works, as is evident from the thousands of people in this group.  We only have the horses’ best interest at heart.

 

We’d be more than happy to help you, but you also need to help us by filling out that dreaded case history- it will make is so much easier for the volunteers to give you the correct information. Saves us going back and forth with questions if it’s all written out for us. If you have any trouble with the case history I’d be more than happy to help you.

 

It sounds like you know what the protocol is and what is really required to avoid another laminitis attack- yet you seem to be playing with fire by not following it. That is really the only way that you’re going to avoid another attack.

 

I don’t know how much a jigger is in weight- but regardless- the Purina pellets aren’t suitable for her – the starch is 11% and sugar at 7%- combined = 18%. The total ESC/S needs to be under 10%. . Can you switch her over to something safer like OTCB cubes, soy hull pellets, molasses free beet pulp or NuZu Stabul 1? Having her on pasture is also not suitable- especially at this time of the year unless the muzzle is closed and she has no access. I know you know this. Have you had the pasture analysed to know what vitamins and minerals she’s getting and what she’s missing out on?  Even pasture can be deficient- so that’s no guarantee her needs are being met. At least you’re soaking the hay.

 

In regards to your question, I would be inclined to hit it in both fronts. Restrict pasture and increase her pergolide. When her last test and what were the numbers?

 

I totally understand the frustration; no one said that it was necessarily going to be easy to make the changes required.  It involves investment - Investment physically, emotionally and financially.  Please take the time to analyse her lifestyle- it’s important for Lilys long term outcome.  For me, I found that the easiest way to tackle it was to pick one task at a time, complete it and move on to the next one. One step at a time. The group is here to support you.

 

Pauline & Spur

Sth West Vic

Australia Aug 07

EC Primary Response

http://tinyurl.com/7qbdyas



---In EquineCushings@..., <vincentbab19@...> wrote :
  
  But, I could try to restrict her grazing in the fall if this was very important, OR, as I would rather do, up the dose of pergolide at this time, if this was indicated.  Any suggestions?



 

....."I'm afraid I get a bit addled by the number of steps required and hoops to jump through on this site"
......"I know I don't follow the regime prescribed here,"
".....I haven't found the time to analyze everything in her lifestyle."
"Any suggestions?".....

suggestions: jump through the "hoops" and post your case history. Follow the regime. Find the time to care for your horse correctly.

...."I could try to restrict her grazing in the fall if this was very important, OR, as I would rather do, up the dose of pergolide at this time, if this was indicated."....

it is not advised to increase pergolide simply as a convenience because you don't want to take the necessary husbandry measures to fully safeguard against laminitis risks (grazing, grain products, etc). Exercise alone cannot control IR: my mare evented in USEA events all of last year and was working *hard* yet still fell victim to IR during the seasonal rise. A couple accidental bites of grass that she dug up in her temporary stall at the regional eventing Championships set off her severe downward spiral.
Pergolide is a prescribed drug used to treat PPID only, *not* as a control for IR so that your horse can still graze and be fed grain. You are flirting with disaster with the latter philosophy.

If you want help, get on board before your horse suffers the consequences.

Kerry in NY
Sept 2014


Barbara Vincent
 

I have filled out the CH.  When I went to copy a link to it from my email to add to my reply,  the rest of the message erased!  Grrr!!


corrine haffner
 

Hi
<<<< but this recreant would still like  help trying to avoid fall founder. 
  But, I could try to restrict her grazing in the fall if this was very important, OR, as I would rather do, up the dose of pergolide at this time, if this was indicated.  Any suggestions? >>>>>>>>>>


Only way your going to avoid founder this fall is to follow the protocols of this group. That means no grain no grass no sugary treats. Get your case history filled out so you can be better help


Unfortunately there are no short cuts when dealing with IR/ Cushings horse,so do your horse a favor and get on board here,not really that hard to do. 


Corrine & Jasper

MN 4/2014

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/echistory8/files/Corrine%20and%20Jasper


Barbara Vincent
 

Could someone please send me the link for how to add to / edit the CH form?


Lorna Cane
 



>Could someone please send me the link for how to add to / edit the CH form?

Please can you sign your posts?


Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf






Barbara Vincent
 

Sorry,
Barbara and Lily
Malvern, PA


takarri@...
 

HI Barb,

Is this what you are after?



Pauline & Spur

Sth West Vic

Australia Aug 07

EC Primary Response

http://tinyurl.com/7qbdyas

 


---In EquineCushings@..., <vincentbab19@...> wrote :

Could someone please send me the link for how to add to / edit the CH form?


Barbara Vincent
 

I lose my post which I have several times labored on at length!! when I try to copy the link to Lily's CH form!!! %@X@**!
Worried about seasonal rise laminitis
Barbara and Lily
Malvern, PA


Lorna Cane
 



>I lose my post which I have several times labored on at length!! when I try to copy the link to Lily's CH form!!! %@X@**!

Barbara,try making a document of your signature,with the CH link added.Put it on your desk top,and go to it to copy/paste to your messages.

If you write a message as if you are composing an email,you can then copy/paste that to the list as New Topic,or Reply to someone else's message.
I know from experience how frustrating it is to lose a message you have spent time on.

Lorna in Ontario,Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002


*See What Works in Equine Nutrition*
http://www.ecirhorse.com/images/stories/Success_Story_3_-Ollies_Story__updated.pdf






Lisa S
 

To avoid computer hijinks, I just type out my longer posts in Word or some other word processor, then copy and paste! Even if this creates formatting problems and you wind up having to retype your post, it's nice to know you have a copy of it to fall back on.

I barely have enough energy to type things once, let alone multiple times!

Lisa in TX
Zippy, Rita, and Bunny- IR
June 2010 


Barbara Vincent
 

Lorna,
 That seemed like a good idea, but when I tried to paste the copied Word doc. with my signature and the link to Lily's CH on my message, "paste" was greyed out, wouldn't work.  Did I miss something?
Barbara and Lily
Malvern, PA
March 2015


 

Highlight your message then try control "C" for copy and control "V" for paste and see what happens.

Jean and Amber
South Carolina
august 2004