acetyl-L-carnitine
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Stephanie Boyles
Hello, I am reading more about the value of adding acetyl-L-carnitine to the IR horses diet to assist with leptin deficiencies. I also found this link on the ECIR site: https://www.canadianprotein.com/acetyl-l-carnitine This link is a human product, so my question is twofold.... is there any risk to trying this product with my horse? And secondly, how do I convert this powder to a dose appropriate for my horse? (1170pds) Your guidance is always appreciated! Stephanie
Joined March, 2017 Ontario, Canada
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gypsylassie
Hi Stephanie,
acetyl-L-carnitine is fine to give to your horse. There is a company here in the US called My Best Horse where we can buy it, nickname Alcar, and Joan gives the dosage for horses. You could check her website for the dose and
if she sells to Canada. She has a nice line of products a lot of us use for our horses. mybesthorse.com
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
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Hi Stephanie,
Just to agree with Laura,about My Best Horse. Joan does ship to Canada. She is great to work with. www.mybesthorse.com -- Lorna in Kingston, Ontario, Canada
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Hi Stephanie,
There's no leptin deficiency with EMS. Leptin is actually often elevated, with leptin resistance. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Stephanie Boyles
Thank you for this information! One more quick question... I read a report by Dr. Kellon that states L Carintine is derived from Lysine. Steph
Joined March, 2017 Ontario, Canada
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There's not enough lysine in Insulinwise to make a difference.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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So is their a benefit to adding acetyl-L-carnitine to an IR horse along with Lysine?
-- Nancy 3/20/2018 Burkesville KY Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Akira |
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Some members,,, myself included.. tried insulinwise... I did for 6 weeks... zero improvement,.. returned product for a refund
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Stephanie Boyles
Thanks LJ! Did you do pre/post blood tests? I started my horse on insulin wise when his insulin skyrocketed suddenly in the spring. We suspect it was alfalfa hay, but he is controlled now (touch wood) and I am afraid to take him off of it just in case it is helping.... I will finish this container and try taking him off of it, monitoring very closely of course.
Joined March, 2017 Ontario, Canada
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Stephanie,
If you took him off alfalfa at the same time, there's no way to tell if the Insulinwise did anything. Yes, LJ did blood work. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Stephanie Boyles
Yes, I took him off alfalfa at the same time, so there is no way to tell if Insulinwise was helpful. I did do blood tests, but again, they will be influenced more by the alfalfa. I will let you know if there is a change when I take him off of this product.
Just to close the loop, I contacted Scott at Mad Barn and they carry L-Carnitine, so I will try this. Is there a difference between acetyl-l-carnitine and l-carnitine? -- Stephanie and Youpi
Joined March, 2017 Ontario, Canada
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Yes, there's a difference but there is some interconversion between the two in the body. You can also get ALCar from human sites like https://www.canadianprotein.com/acetyl-l-carnitine#/84-product_options-powder_454_g_1_lb
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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I just want to add my 2 cents on the Alfalfa subject. I've discovered that most Alfalfa is sprayed with a salt-like substance... Starts with a P, I believe... Can't remember the name. It prevents mold, BUT it increases insulin levels in horses. So if the Alfalfa you've been giving smells like pickles or vinigar, it's been sprayed! I think Alfalfa that isn't sprayed doesn't elevate the insulin levels. The trick is to find the untreated Alfalfa!
-- Deirdre O'Malley Raleigh, North Carolina Joined Group: 6/27/16 Horse: KESA, Spanish Mustang mare, 20 yes old PPID, IR, DSLD |
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Hi Deirdre
You mean propionic acid? If so, that is not what has been reported here although I know it has been reported elsewhere. Can you please point us to the research or articles on increase in insulin horses? Here's one thread from the archives on what it does in the horse. https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topic/2759738#201801 In addition, lots of member horses have been negatively affected by untreated alf. Here's my experience with propionic acid https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/188420 -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2019-2020 Join us at the 2020 NO Laminitis! Conference, October 22 - 25, Harrisburg, PA |
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ALCAR is very competitively priced on Amazon.com too. FAST shipping.
-- Sandy March 2017, Onalaska, WA, USA Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandy%20and%20Andy . |
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