Seasonal Rise Question Based On New ACTH, Insulin And Leptin Blood Work
My vet called today. He consulted with the endocrinologist about Relevante's elevated leptin and insulin. The endocrinologist agreed with what was said here on the forum regarding onset of exercise program and the seasonal rise being variables that could be affecting the numbers. He also discussed "breed" stating that he was happy with the numbers considering Relevante is a Paso Fino and to just continue with the current protocol.
-- Lynn Beavercreek, Ohio March 2018 Relevante Case History Relevante Photo Album Ω |
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Thanks Lavinia! I did not realize that starting exercise can elevate leptin. Good to know. I was thinking the higher insulin number might likely be due to the rise. He has a trim this Friday - we moved to a 3-week trim to stay on top of things...just going to follow the blueprint you provided with the consult. I'm actually going to take photos of his feet, print them off and try to do my own mark-ups...LOL...oh boy.
-- Lynn Beavercreek, Ohio March 2018 Relevante Case History Relevante Photo Album Ω |
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Also keep in mind that leptin values will elevate when you start an exercise program (or increase the intensity) and that takes a bit of time to settle down again.
Insulin does fluctuate all the time and your previous result was in April whereas the new one is in Aug. All horses become more insulin resistant as part of the seasonal rise so a small increase isn't unexpected now. If he is doing well, no other signs that there's anything wrong, then just keep things tight and keep doing what you're doing cuz it's obviously working. -- Lavinia and George Too Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI ECIR Support Team |
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Tanna
Thank you Sherry,
I would like to say we have confirmed control but my results are actually in pmol/L and so based on the timing of our second test in April at 0.5 mg, 23 hours post dosage, we were only assuming that once I had tirated up she would be REALLY well controlled on 1 mg. 2019 03 19 Idexx (Guelph)
45.8 pmol/L 2-10 (208.18 pg/mL) 2019 04 17 Idexx (Guelph/Cornell) 10.41 pmol/L 2-10 (47.3 pg/mL) Prascend 0.5 2019 04 02
Prascend 0.75 2019 04 19
Prascend 1.00. 2019 04 27
Prascend 0.5 2019 07 18
Prascend 0.75. 2019 07 29
With the drop to 0.5 she presented with a cough and a bit of head tossy tick that may or may not be related to dosage. I bumped back up to 0.75 based on BI's suggestions for addressing dose intolerance and have stayed here too scared to go higher.
Thank you -- Tanna April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008) |
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Thanks Sherry. That was my thinking as well. We literally just began the "conditioning" riding so I'm encouraged by the way that he is acting that we'll be able to continue this and that it will have a positive impact on those numbers. Really appreciate the input.
-- Lynn Beavercreek, Ohio March 2018 Relevante Case History Relevante Photo Album Ω |
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Sherry Morse
Hi Lynn, For me since he's still showing as compensated in the calculator and the numbers aren't off the charts for insulin or leptin I'd just keep managing him as you are. As we always say exercise is the best insulin buster there is so having his ACTH under control and keeping him in some sort of work should help keep the insulin under control. Thanks, PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf |
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Hi Sherry,
Thanks. So you feel even though his insulin/leptin are slightly elevated over last year that it's okay to hold our current course. I am going to re-test at the end of September and of course I'm watching him for manifestation of any physical symptoms but so far there's nothing. -- Lynn Beavercreek, Ohio March 2018 Relevante Case History Relevante Photo Album Ω |
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Tanna,
If I'm reading your CH correctly Tula was showing as well controlled on .5mg and then you bumped her dosage up. Were she mine I'd keep her on the .5mg (or .75mg if she's tolerating that) unless there's an indication (via bloodwork or visual cues) that she needed an increase.
Thanks, PA 2014
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf
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Sherry Morse
Lynn, With his ACTH in the teens in July I wouldn't change anything at this point. Given that he had a negative reaction when you increased his pergolide last year IF you notice any similar changes this year I would err on the side of having bloodwork done and then changing his dose if indicated by the results. Thanks, PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf |
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Tanna
Bumping. Following. I feel as though I am in a similar boat with my mare but substituting the extreme spookiness for dose intolerance/adverse reactions; musculoskeletal pain, colic, lethargy, mild ataxia and depression. I too had to reduce dose before seeing significant improvement in symptoms and all signs say she is currently feeling great. We have no clinical signs of PPID or IR with a trim being done tomorrow to get our toes tight. I was able to add back 0.25 of the 0.5 I reduced but I am scared to increase to the 1 mg @ which she showed problems. I was originally planning to test this week or next, but after dealing with the cost of colic and epm blood tests (trying to rule out other causes of neurological signs) I am also leaning toward testing at the end of September to see where her ACTH and Insulin would be at the height of the rise. I am not sure if this is your idea with September as well? One of the biggest things for me in staying the current course is being able to work regularly whereas before we could not. I think this is better for her health in general but I am feeling nervous about standing pat because I feel as though I shouldn't be. :o| Hope some of the pros can weigh in on your question. -- April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008) |
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Lynn Beavercreek, Ohio March 2018 Relevante Case History Relevante Photo Album Ω |
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