Thank you so much for taking time to figure that out!!  😀

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~ Lindsey Fortier

Feb.8,2017    Augusta, Maine

Snicker's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsey%20and%20Snickers

Hi Lindsey and all

I just spoke with Randy on this issue.  Starch typically runs 4 percent. Additionally there are four independently run tests in the files that show ~4 percent for starch.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/filessearch?q=stabul1

It should also be noted that the recipe is proprietary, and the list of ingredients is not in order of amount used.  IOW wheat middlings are not the first ingredient based on total percent of the recipe. The alfalfa is also very low.

In a perfect world we’d love to see less than four percent.   Most horses can deal with 4%, some very sensitive ones will not be able to.

I know first-hand that rising insulins are so frustrating.  To see what else may be affecting any insulin draw a complete picture is needed when reviewing: time of year, time of day, temperature, when they ate relative to the draw, exercise, if any that day, etc.

Personal experience: I have used Stabul1 for five years or so.  Stabul1 and ODTB Cubes are the best places to go as a carrier for IR horses, IME and IMO.  My severely IR horse tolerated up to 3 pounds of the Stabul1 as we tried to get weight on him, with out significant insulin increases due to the feed.

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I am following this thread.

I put my horse on Stabul 1 and within 3 months his insulin level doubled.  Now, I don't know if it is the feed or not.  Patti who helped me with my mineral mix mentioned that it has alfalfa and some horses can't handle that.  (It seems the numbers on that are low).  My horse has never had alfalfa hay so I don't know if he can handle it or not.  When his last insulin levels were taken the weather was very cold and that could have increased his levels as well.  It has also been a fairly winter and I currently don't have a dry lot so he is out with a grazing muzzle and although there isn't much out there he does get nibbles.  It will be very nice this weekend so we are going to til up 1 pasture to make it a dry lot.  With adding all of his supplements (mineral mix) and with him being such a picky eater, Patti and I agreed to get him taking all of his supplements before changing his carrier.  I am curious what we find our from Randy.

Thanks, Amy
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- Amy 10-2016

Mooresville, Indiana 

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Hi, LIndsey - good catch. I found on the EquiAnalytical website that wheat middlings have an average starch of 23.6%, which is way, way too high for us. There is no breakdown of ESC and starch in the analysis on the Stabul 1 website:  http://stabul1.com/stabul-1/  I will email Randy and ask what the scoop is. 

Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)

Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy

I was looking at the Stabul 1 product and the ingredients. I know its approved to use as a carrier for the supplements. It has wheat middlings as #1 ingredient, I thought that was a no no for IR horses?

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~ Lindsey Fortier

Feb.8,2017    Augusta, Maine

Snicker's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lindsey%20and%20Snickers