Aloe vera as a supplement carrier
Flax oil has an omega 3 to omega 6 fatty acid ratio of 4.2 to 1. Camelina oil has a 3:6 ratio of 1.4 to 1. One ounce of flax oil will provide 14.9 grams of omega 3; 1 ounce of camelina oil will provide 7.3 grams.
It is an okay product, but it seems like a waste of money to me. Either use Cocasoya oil, olive oil, or flaxseed oil (I prefer using the flax, myself)
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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
https://www.chirobase.org/06DD/ak.html
Bogus?
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-Linda
Ojai, Ca
September 2016
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20and%20Peanut
Something just learned today if can't test hay...anyone ever muscle test and then balance minerals to those results?
Are you talking about applied kinesiology muscle testing? It's totally bogus.
https://www.chirobase.org/06DD/ak.html
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Eleanor in PA
EC Owner 2001
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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
Great, thanks so much! Just feeding TC 30 to the 3 yr old . Think will go back to the Mtn Sunrise Timothy pellets for the carrier with a bit of water as they all are eating the minerals well....even plain out of my hand!👍🏻Sure wish I could send for hay test every time I buy but that's nearly impossible.
Something just learned today if can't test hay...anyone ever muscle test and then balance minerals to those results?
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-Linda
Ojai, Ca
September 2016
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20and%20Peanut
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-Linda
Ojai, Ca
September 2016
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20and%20Peanut
I think I know where the confusion is. A) Omega Horseshine IS mostly ground flax. B) Flax seed is 40% fat, so you interpreted (or read or thought) that this fat could act as a carrier for absorption of powdered Vitamin E. C) I believe the moderators are saying that the fat contained in flax is not enough of a carrier for vitamin E absorption D) Either the oil already present in Vitamin E capsules (I buy from costco) or a splash of pure oil fed with powdered Vitamin E is required. E) If your horse is highly suspicious and won’t eat the Vit E capsules you can poke a hole and squeeze them out into the feed.
Hope I’m not repeating something you’ve already figured out.
Josie
Davis CA 06/09
Hi, LInda - Some of the minerals may be a tad more than needed in this case; but since you are feeding older as well as growing horses, you won't be feeding the TC 30 to the older horses, who won't need the extra protein boost; and the extra minerals and proteins fed to the growing horses will be fine. This is NOT as good as actually analyzing the hay and having a specific mineral supplement balanced to the hay, but it is much, much better than tossing a little Farrier's Formula (or similar) to each horse and hoping for the best.
You won't go far wrong by feeding the hay; plus 2,000 IU vitamin E (with soy oil in capsules, which will be listed in the ingredients on the bottle); plus Omega Horseshine; plus salt; plus the Uckele U-balance; and for the youngsters. some TC 30. As a carrier to get the salt, minerals etc in, use either soy hulls, rinsed/soaked/rinsed beet pulp, Ontario Dehy Timothy Balance Cubes, Nuzu Stabul 1, or LMF Low NSC (don't need them all, just one or a convenient combo), and a snifter of TC Lite or TC 30 for flavouring. Just don't give TC 30 to the older horses; only the growing ones will need the extra protein, minerals and vitamins over and above the Uckele U Balance.
Does that make sense?
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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy
We did but that source is now gone...no, as we only buy about 15-20 bales alfalfa and orchard at a time...giving Euckele U Balance...
Question:
since giving Euckele minerals, wouldn't feeding the TC 30 or TC Lite overdo on minerals if giving both?
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-Linda
Ojai, Ca
September 2016
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20and%20Peanut
Hi Linda,
Oh,good.I'm glad we're still on track.
Vitamin E capsules (oil inside capsules) are good. Lots of us use Costco's but there are many brands.
Flax is fed for its omega 3's.
Horseshine is definitely fine to feed with Vitamin E capsules. In other words,they do not react against each other.
But the vitamin E capsules should already contain oil , so feeding the flax has nothing to do with them.
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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
Oh Lorna I think I'm seeing all! No, you have all been so very helpful....and patient as well;-) I've gone through all my emails trying to find who told me Horseshine ok with vitamin e capsules and can't find it!;-( So to make this easier...I can't do that? Need actual flax or oil to go with the capsules? I am feeding TC Lite as well and that has Vitamin E in it too. So confused;-(
but always very appreciative for the help here❤️
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-Linda
Ojai, Ca
September 2016
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20and%20Peanut
Recently learned had to be E with fish oil carrier preferably
Can you say where this info came from?
E needs to be fed with oil to be of best use to the horse. Doesn't have to be fish oil .
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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
Linda,are you getting all the messages?
Haven't we covered this in the last day or 2?
Unless you're not seeing the replies.
What do you mean," a moderator that was trying to be helpful." Does that mean we weren't helpful? If so,how can we do better?
Thanks.
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Lorna in Eastern Ontario, Canada
ECIR Moderator 2002
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-Linda
Ojai, Ca
September 2016
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20and%20Peanut
Lacelynn, we have ALL been there! No one is born knowing how to manage potentially metabolic horses, and most of us have assumed that when we buy a vitamin/mineral product that states it has everything your horse needs, followed with a bunch of testimonials from big cheese competitors or trainers, we are doing the right thing. (ask me how I know this!)
Nutrition is a bit of an orphan in vet school and med school, and yet it is hugely significant in looking after our horses. Marketing, on the other hand, is VERY well studied. :)
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Jaini Clougher (BSc,BVSc)
Merlin (over the bridge) ,Maggie,Gypsy, Ranger
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jaini%20and%20Merlin-Maggie-Gypsy