Date
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LaminaSaver
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Kim Rice
Hi,
Does anyone know anything about LaminaSaver, active ingredient: Restaurex by Figuerola? A friend at the barn mentioned it to me. Thoughts or knowledge appreciated. Thank you -- Kim R, Lafayette, CA 2019 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Shomee
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I've used it extensively in the past but you have to double the recommended dose to get good effects which makes it very expensive. The primary active ingredient I believe is Jiaogulan, which can be used by itself for a tiny fraction of the price, or get wider spectrum support with LaminOX https://uckele.com/laminox-3lbs.html for less than half the price ($6.18 vs $2.30) - not factoring in the 5% ECIR discount.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Lesley Bludworth
Dr Kellon,
Regarding laminasaver. I cannot imagine there is j herb in it. It is white powder that tases like whey protein. -- Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ Sophie Case History 7/2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History
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Sherry Morse
Lesley the ingredients are 'a proprietary blend' which is usually code for 'different herbs which may or may not be helpful in the quantities in the product'.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Lesley Bludworth
Right, yes, I was just acknowledging Dr. Kellon said she thought the active ingredient in LaminaSaver was j herb but that is not what it smells or takes like, more like colostrum.
From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Sherry Morse via groups.io <sherry_morse@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 9:54:06 AM To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ECIR] LaminaSaver Lesley the ingredients are 'a proprietary blend' which is usually code for 'different herbs which may or may not be helpful in the quantities in the product'.
Thanks,
Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 -- Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ Sophie Case History 7/2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History
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In any case, reading through the archives wrt LaminaSaver and Jiaogulan,the bottom line seems to be that Jiaogulan does a better job,and for pennies a day.
You can read more about this by searching the message archives,using LaminaSaver. I stopped reading at posts from 2011, but they go back further. -- Lorna in Eastern Ontario 2002
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Horse Journal (for which Dr Kellon was the veterinary editor) did review LaminaSaver (and perhaps other Figuerola products) back about 2003. It was found effective but at a minimum of double the recommended dose. I used it for a month for Beau (founder) in 2003. At that time it was very expensive to double dose a 1000 pound animal. $1000 per month. It was not as effective for pain control as using Dr Kellon's jiaogulan protocol which literally costs pennies per day. The realigning trim needs to be in place, and diagnosis and diet under control.
More recently folks have also had better results with LaminaOx https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/241625 I'd still go with jiaogulan as my first choice with DDT under control.. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2021-2022
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Lesley Bludworth
Sorry,
Im not debating which is better.
I just have some at the house, so i'll just use it up then at 4 x the dose, as I suspect it works much differently than the
j herb because it seems like its colostrum.
I'm giving j herb x 3 weeks and
She is not comfortable.
I will up load pics of her trim to see if something can be done there
From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Nancy C <threecatfarm@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:53:30 AM To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ECIR] LaminaSaver Horse Journal (for which Dr Kellon was the veterinary editor) did review LaminaSaver (and perhaps other Figuerola products) back about 2003. It was found effective but at a minimum of double the recommended dose. I used it for a month for Beau (founder)
in 2003. At that time it was very expensive to double dose a 1000 pound animal. $1000 per month. It was not as effective for pain control as using Dr Kellon's jiaogulan protocol which literally costs pennies per day. The realigning trim needs to be in place,
and diagnosis and diet under control.
More recently folks have had better results with LaminaOx https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/241625 I'd still go with jiaogulan as my first choice with DDT under control.. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2021-2022 -- Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ Sophie Case History 7/2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History
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Sherry Morse
Lesley, How pink are her gums now compared to when you started the J-herb? Has the trim been addressed since it was started? If you're looking for pain relief our first suggestion is always Devil's Claw, not Jiaogulan.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Lesley Bludworth
Yes, she started devils claw last week but I didn't know the Uckele version wasn't good for her.
I have the phytoquench with DC but I have to syringe it as She is not eating well and on omeprazole.
The uckele DC has yucca and apparently that's not good for her but its way easier to get in her.
From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Sherry Morse via groups.io <sherry_morse@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 4:13:31 PM To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ECIR] LaminaSaver Lesley,
How pink are her gums now compared to when you started the J-herb? Has the trim been addressed since it was started? If you're looking for pain relief our first suggestion is always Devil's Claw, not Jiaogulan.
Thanks,
Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 -- Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ Sophie Case History 7/2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History
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Lavinia Fiscaletti
Hi Lesley,
It's possible the J-herb is mobilizing abscesses, which can make her more painful until they drain. -- Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR) Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI Moderator ECIR
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Lesley Bludworth
That would be great. Is that why she looks better on bute?
From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Lavinia Fiscaletti <shilohmom@...>
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2022 7:55:28 PM To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ECIR] LaminaSaver Hi Lesley,
It's possible the J-herb is mobilizing abscesses, which can make her more painful until they drain. -- Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR) Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI Moderator ECIR -- Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ Sophie Case History 7/2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History
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Lavinia Fiscaletti
It's possible, as bute will control inflammation - which an abscess has. But in doing that, it keeps the abscess from "boiling over" and draining away.
-- Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR) Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI Moderator ECIR
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Lorin
In a message, the following was posted. Why is the uckele not appropriate?
-- Lorin in NH and SC. Joined September 2016
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Lesley Bludworth
For an IR/EMS horse due to the yucca schidigera. It must be high in carbs...
-- Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ Sophie Case History 7/2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History
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Sherry Morse
Do a search of the files for Yucca for more information. To get you started: Also: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/192585 (note this is going back to 2015 - this is not a new recommendation) https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/279214 more recent message from Dr. Kellon
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Lesley Bludworth
Thank you Sherry.
Very helpful. Might need to find
another form of DC than the Phyto quench which is lower in DC amount and hard to get in her.
Do you have a recommendation?
From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Sherry Morse via groups.io <sherry_morse@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:49 AM To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ECIR] LaminaSaver Do a search of the files for Yucca for more information. To get you started:
Also: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/192585 (note
this is going back to 2015 - this is not a new recommendation)
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/279214 more
recent message from Dr. Kellon
Thanks,
Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 -- Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ Sophie Case History 7/2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History
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Sherry Morse
Again you could look at a liquid option such as Equimins Devils Claw Liquid Joint Supplement | Rideaway USA (rideawaystore.com)
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Lavinia Fiscaletti
I believe Uckele also makes the DC without the yucca but you need to request it specifically.
-- Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR) Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI Moderator ECIR
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Lesley Bludworth
Oh, okay!! Thank you Lavina
From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Lavinia Fiscaletti <shilohmom@...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:36:18 AM To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ECIR] LaminaSaver I believe Uckele also makes the DC without the yucca but you need to request it specifically.
-- Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR) Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI Moderator ECIR -- Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ Sophie Case History 7/2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History
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