Request for help for Storm
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Hello,
Riosa Case History Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0 . Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=10181
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Sherry Morse
Heather, For the sake of our volunteers (and to free up space on the server) can you please combine Storm's albums so all her photos are in one location and then delete the extra album and fix your signature. It would be quite helpful. Her x-rays from 2018 look very clean in terms of any visible arthritis, does she have any newer films?
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Sorry I can do that. But not sure how I combine them as I don’t have the actual pics anymore as they were on my phone from the hoof album ones. Ideas or how does one combine the albums?
No I don’t have recent xrays and the last ones are from my current vet who didn’t say any issues with the xrays to indicate navicular in her opinion. She was the one that suggested perhaps we are dealing with some scar tissue or improper healing of the DDFT. I have given her previcox for her arthritis pain when she gets flair ups but it doesn’t seem to help with her RF lameness at all which again leads me to think maybe a tendon scarring issue? -- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
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Looking for advice on my mare Storm and if I should be continuing her Prascend or if it is needed based on her last blood results. She is on tested and balanced mineral, dry lot year round and no unapproved treats. She has reoccurring lameness in spring and early fall. She suffers stifle arthritis which I do think has caused increased issues with the left front which is also the foot she was diagnosed with a DDFT injury years back in 2014. If prascend is not needed I would like to discontinue it but would like feedback. We put her on it as a trial to see if it would help but she still has the reoccurring lameness which gets worse when the cold weather agrivates her stifle arthritis.
I had asked about how to combine my albums but didn’t hear back so will just work on moving the pics over somehow and deleting the other album. Thanks and looking forward to hearing some guidance. -- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
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Hi Heather,
Your Case History states that Storm's body conditiom improved when you started Prascend. What kind of improvements did you see? Are any of them improvements to signs of PPID, or just to EMS/IR? If not, and given that her insulin isn't lower on it, I personally don't think it's worth continuing. You have removed her from grass completely but have you been soaking her hay? I know my horse gets sore in the spring (not the fall thankfully) and his hooves generally lose all the improvements we will have made over the winter. Now that this has happened 3 years in a row I've learned it's not enough to feed him 1.5% ideal BW in low sugar hay, and that his hay really must be soaked at that time of year, too. (He actually does best if I soak it all summer, too). His hoof pain coincides with things greening up, usually mid-April here, even though he is on a truly dry lot and does not get any grass other than maybe the odd blade or two that pops up before I see them. I think there is a hormonal component that increases his insulin in mid-April, although I've yet to see anything officially mentioned here (other than the finding that the spring equinox can also affect ACTH in PPID horses, which Shaku is not). Beyond that, maybe trying her on invocana? If she can manage regular exercise before the spring and fall episodes, then maybe that could help prevent them. I'm not sure what else to suggest for Storm. -- Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album |
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Hi Kirsten,
Thanks for replying. As for physical differences in Storm’s appearance I would say her pot bellied and somewhat ribby appearance got better. She never has had any IR fat pads or filled with eye orbits and if anything her eye orbitals
have always been very sunken in. She also seemed to have less periods of loose manure.
She is off grass and has been on tested low sugar and starch hay for almost 2 years. I can’t soak hay where I live and not possible in these temps with no heater area to do so. So unfortunately not an option. I have tried this
in the past with her when it was not as cold and it didn’t seem to make any difference to her lameness. Perhaps she is dealing with other issues such as poor healing or scar tissues in her DDFT too? Not sure.
If I was to take her of prascend do u slowly wean her off? Just seems weird as I me that her insulin has not changed that much since the spring to the summer so thought maybe something else was driving it up.
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From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Kirsten Rasmussen <kirstenrasmussen3@...>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:27:15 AM To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> Subject: Re: [ECIR] Request for help for Storm Hi Heather,
Your Case History states that Storm's body conditiom improved when you started Prascend. What kind of improvements did you see? Are any of them improvements to signs of PPID, or just to EMS/IR? If not, and given that her insulin isn't lower on it, I personally don't think it's worth continuing. You have removed her from grass completely but have you been soaking her hay? I know my horse gets sore in the spring (not the fall thankfully) and his hooves generally lose all the improvements we will have made over the winter. Now that this has happened 3 years in a row I've learned it's not enough to feed him 1.5% ideal BW in low sugar hay, and that his hay really must be soaked at that time of year, too. (He actually does best if I soak it all summer, too). His hoof pain coincides with things greening up, usually mid-April here, even though he is on a truly dry lot and does not get any grass other than maybe the odd blade or two that pops up before I see them. I think there is a hormonal component that increases his insulin in mid-April, although I've yet to see anything officially mentioned here (other than the finding that the spring equinox can also affect ACTH in PPID horses, which Shaku is not). Beyond that, maybe trying her on invocana? If she can manage regular exercise before the spring and fall episodes, then maybe that could help prevent them. I'm not sure what else to suggest for Storm. -- Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album -- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=10181 |
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Sherry Morse
Hi Heather, The fact that you noted she was slow to shed, pot bellied and ribby make me wonder if she's one of those horses that doesn't test as PPID but responds to pergolide. As far as the lameness there are a lot of factors at play for her - it could have nothing to do with PPID/IR or that could be just one element of what's going on with her.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Oh yes and the slow shedding I forgot about that. So do you think I should leave her in her dose of 2mg if prascend right now? I bumped it up to 2 from 1 due to seasonal rise. Any suggestions?
-- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=10181 |
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Do you have radiographs? Doesn't sound likely this is laminitis. If you are going to stop or reduce pergolide I would wait for November.
The small bump in insulin could be related to weather. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Hello,
yes I have xrays but they are not current and from 2018 as well as back when she had her DDFT injury. They are under her hoof album and I will get these moved over to one album soon. -- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=10181&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0 |
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You might want to consider a work up with nerve blocks and new radiographs. Be sure to include navicular views.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Ok thanks Dr. Kellon.
Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=10181&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0 |
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Correction on the above I meant to say it is primarily her LF that is the issue
-- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=10181&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0 |
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