This video was taken yesterday. I’ve never seen the dapples on my horse before. The previous owner said she had seen some on his rump but never on the sides. I sent these photos to a Freesian Facebook page and one of the breeders who is a certified nutritionist, said this is a cry out for nutritional deficiency. The dapples and the rusting show a problem, she says. She wanted me to withhold all supplements and put out a copper Salt Lick, which i wont do.
. But is there any possibility this is a nutritional deficiency? It’s been years since I’ve balanced his hay. With a barn that gets different day every few months and different suppliers of Timothy Pellets etc. I just kept things the same. Any thoughts on if this is a problem and what I could do to fix it? Thank you

https://youtu.be/otZJSVjolR0

-400  mg cooper, 1200 mg zinc are  and in his custom supplement that he gets daily at  present. Should I go higher? My local vet offered a blood test for copper. Waiting for some direction from the group-
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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I just got a note from the breeder tell me how she remembered Majestic and he Dappled  for her and only the product  below fixed him back to black.. she uses it for all horses that come into her facility 

She mentioned she wanted me to buy the grand Meadows premium plus .  Can this off the shelf item. ever be as good as my custom supplement plus the additional vitamin a ,E,  forco , flax and salt that I add?

https://www.grandmeadows.com/product/grand-premium-plus/

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Ellen
Pal & Savvy
N. Alabama
Aug 2013
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This is the coloring on my gelding and his diet is balanced. I’m curious why people think dapples are a sign of otherwise?
Isn’t it just their coloring?


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Bobbie and Desi
NRC March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

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There are some acceptable color patterns for the breed which include dappling but if it's a change from his normal it shouldn't be there. The problem with your "balancing" is you don't have any idea if it actually matches his diet. I would replace the pellets with Stabul 1 or ODTB. Ask your BO if her hay supplier always buys from the same sources and how often the hay your barn gets changes. It may be feasible to analyze it.

These coat changes may come from deficiencies/imbalances involving cysteine, copper, zinc or all three. They may be from deficient levels in the  diet or competition from iron or manganese or high sulfates or any combination of those.

If your hay stays the same for several months it's well worth analyzing it. In the meantime, try:

- N-acetyl cysteine 6000 mg
- Copper 300 mg
- Zinc 900 mg

This is in addition to your usual supplements.

BTW, it's not just about coat color. Hoof quality, antioxidant defenses, vascular health and immunity can also suffer from these deficiencies/imbalances.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

I can almost guarantee you that supplement won't get the job done. It's also contraindicated because of added glucosamine, iron and manganese.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Thank you for your reply. Your “almost guarantee,”  comment , shuts down my consideration of  this product for me. Thanks again
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 10:54 PM, LJ Friedman wrote:

Can this off the shelf item. ever be as good as my custom supplement plus the additional vitamin a ,E,  forco , flax and salt that I add?

 No. Review your formula with your balancer, asking about Majestic's coat. Send a picture. Did you test the water for iron?

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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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I’m confused.  You mention a custom supplement you use but you have not tested the hay.  How is the supplement customized?
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I’m confused. I have a PPID QH. After clipping in summer he was clearly dappled ( which I have not seen on him before) and my vet was out and said “ a dappled horse is a healthy horse”. So, is this simply untrue??
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Nina and Jadon
Kentucky 2020
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Dapples are generally believed to be a good thing - but without any actual evidence to back that up. In the horse that was under discussion the "dapples" were actually areas of lost pigmentation and he had other discoloration as well.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

water is from a well i havent tested   , ( moved here in april) i can look at the iron
my custom supplements are based on 603 test from 2018

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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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I’m not thrilled about making food changes unless I can prove a deficiency. Are there any easy blood tests I can perform or other test to reveal what a deficiency might be? any specifics? thanks 
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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How would one balance properly if Horse for example is eating Timothy hay, Orchard Hay, and Timothy pellets,?  I certainly know the percentages etc. so assuming id 603 test all three?
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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The only way to balance properly is to know your starting point with an analysis - recognizing this is going to change with each different load.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

The best way is to test the food. It's not just about deficiencies of each individual nutrient. Imbalances can, and do, interfere with absorption.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001