So I just saw Dr. Kellon's article on this recently and I think that this is something that my horse has had off and on over the years. From some posts on this forum, it seems that psyllium husk is OK to feed a horse with PPID. If that's the case, I liked to try it. However, I noticed that most pysyllium husk supplements recommend only feeding for 7 days. Since most of these supplements are geared for clearing out sand, would the same apply for treating fecal water syndrome?

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Lida
Indiana
September 2020
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No. For FWS, feed daily. Also  make sure it is pure psyllium, not mixed with something else.
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Eleanor in PA

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EC Owner 2001

I use Equishure for my mare that has free fecal water. Not sure if its okay for a horse with PPID. It is time released sodium bicabonate

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Nikkibob
Wisconsin, Sept 2018
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Diana and Scooter
Jan 2019
PA

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Diana and Scooter
Jan 2019
PA

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Hello... Hoping to check in after feeding Tabby (PPID/IR) One cup of moist NOW brand Psyllium Husk powder (chose this product because I could get it faster on Amazon and I was feeling desperate to address the problem) with her daily/nightly supplements for the last month in an attempt to address her FFW syndrome.  While her diet has not changed, the severity of the fecal water and partially loose manure continues to wax and wane.  

I choose to give her supplements in a feed bag.  Despite regular dental work (Dr. Teskey, who I trust) she is a very sloppy eater, and it pains me to watch much of what she eats end up on the ground if I feed her in a bucket.  Putting up to 2 cups of Psyllium powder, as recommended in Dr. Kellon's article, in a mushy mash in a feed bag is just not feasible because it turns in to such a slimmy mess and sticks to the mesh of the feed bag.  Call me lazy... I would prefer to find a way not to have to feed supplements twice per day, especially when necessary for someone to sub in for me.

A couple of questions please... is the recommended amount of the Uckele Psyllium Husk powder the same for FFW syndrome at 1-2 cups per day, even tho the dosing recommendation on the bag is less... at least for sand clearing?  

Second question.... Is the KER Equishure product worth a try since I have only had limited success with the Psyllium Husk?

We are both growing weary of many repeated washings of her tail and areas underneath.  Hauling warm water from the house is not a recommended activity for my cranky hip and bad knee.  Thank you for helping me help my girl... 

Sally in Big Park, Arizona/April 2013

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sally%20with%20Tabby%20and%20Maisie 

  

 

 

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Nancy and Akira
3/20/2018  Burkesville KY

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Thank you Nancy.  I have been using Absorb All, but increased the dose yesterday and see that Tabby is making all balls and no splats this morning.  Yay!  Grateful for that progress.  Once I clean her tail feathers today, I will be able to get a better read on wether or not she is still passing liquid gas.

I appreciate your input!  Best, Sally
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Sally in Big Park, Arizona/April 2013

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Cindy, Oden, and Eeyore, North Texas
On ECIR protocol since 2/19
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Hi Sally, would she eat her psyllium if you feed it separately in a dish set into an empty water tank?  This seems to catch everything my horse drops, which he then spends his free time (after his hay is eaten) licking up.  I like it because it's much cleaner than feeding off his rubber mats.

I too just ordered the same psyllium powder from amazon and I was very disappointed to see it is actually a dense powder.  The last time I ordered it, it was a fluffier coarser grind.  I don't know how feeding it as a fine dense powder might affect how it works, plus it ends up being a smaller volume for the same weight so where I would have fed 1 cup previously now I'm not sure if that should be reduced or kept the same.  If it's the same volume then the finer powder only has about 2 cups in the bag, whereas the fluffier coarser grind was just shy of 5 cups in a bag.  I did recently see the coarser fluffy psyllium in bulk at my grocery store so I will try to buy it there instead.

I wonder if her sloppy eating is a sign that she doesn't grind her food well, leaving too much intact fiber for her digestive system to handle and causing the FFW.  I have noticed the coarser the hay (ie more stem/straw than leaf) the worse my horse's FFW is.  The effect of a coarser hay bale seems to be noticeable within 1-2 days of feeding it.  Maybe substituting beet pulp/soy hull pellets in place of hay, or finding a really soft leafy hay could help her.  I do sympathize...although it doesn't seem to hurt them, FFW is no fun to deal with.

Good luck with the Absorb-All! 

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
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On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 07:32 AM, Kirsten Rasmussen wrote:

in a dish set into an empty water tank?

Kirsten this intrigued me—do you have a photo? Rubber mats are impractical for me but I hate wastage of feed.
 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
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Hi Maxine, I uploaded a photo.  I also empty what is left in his hay nets into it, as you can see.  By morning every drop is cleaned up.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
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Thanks Kirsten, that's neat! I might have a look around for something similar.
I do have a dog bed (like a hard plastic shell) that I use to tie a haynet into because it has holes at the bottom to pass the haynet ties through. It's not as big as your tank though--supposed to be for a medium size dog. We use an empty bathtub to secure larger haynets, half or full bales, as well. Bathtubs are too heavy to toss around, unlike the dog bed, which has been known to mysteriously migrate from one side of the yard to the other overnight and settle upside-down.
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
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Thank you Kirsten... I appreciate you sharing your ideas and experience.  I actually tried feeding Tabby in that same fashion a few months ago with her pellets and supplements in a small tub inside a large feeder.  It helped to some degree, but not enough.  

I think I figured out a while back why Tabby is so messy when eating her food from a bucket or tub inside her run in stall.  She will grab a mouth full of food and then turn her head to look outside her stall and the food drops out of her mouth.  Manytimes, she will even take a bite, walk away from her food to look out, and then go back to it.  And this happens repeatedly through out the meal.  She is not a very good multi tasker and easily distracted and wants to make sure she can always have eyes on her donkey (she was a three time broodmare, and I truly wonder if she may think of our Maisie donkey as her foal that never grows up). This same habit also contribute to her not grinding her food well with the same end result of it not being very digestible.  The feed bag works great in this respect because she can walk around and continue eating while keeping an eye on things.

I may need to try some of the Uckele Psyllium Husk Fiber Pellet https://uckele.com/psyllium-pellet-10lb.html ... Going back to my earlier post, and hoping someone can respond if I would also need to feed this product at a rate of 1 to 2 cups per day when treating FWS (which is a lot more than what is recommended for sand clearing, and probably makes this unaffordable for my ongoing use).

Thank you!!
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Sally in Big Park, Arizona/April 2013

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can you move the feeding station to where she can see what is going on, keeping an eye on the donk so she doesn't need to go away from the feed, A lot of horses are hay dunkers and make a huge mess of water troughs and dribble water all over the place,
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
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Thanks Frances... good common sense solution, but not workable with my set up and still wouldn't stop her from wanting to look outside the immediate barn area (I think she may be on the look out for Elk that are pretty common in my rural neighborhood).  I really like using a feed bag to give Tabby her evening scoop of moistened Mtn. Sunrise Pellets and supplements.  For one, if she is wearing it, that allows the slower eating donkey to finish her food without the horse being able to rush in to eat it.   It just becomes a problem when adding the psyllium powder to the moist mixture because it turns to a slimy mush on the side of the Cashel feed bag that is hard for her to eat and me to clean.

Still hoping Dr. Kellon, or someone familiar with the product, will respond if I can use the Uckele Psyllium Husk Fiber Pellets to the same good effect for FSW and what the dosing would be if so.

With my thanks, Sally
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Sally in Big Park, Arizona/April 2013

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sally%20with%20Tabby%20and%20Maisie