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Boron for arthritis and IR

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hey all, I had been using Boron for arthritis
(dissolving 1 tbsp mule team borax in 500ml of hot water) but stopped a while back. I do think this was helping with Vinnie's arthritis and wanted to add it back. 

I remember UCD published a study in 2019 or 2020 showing that Boron and magnesium supplementation helps with head shaking syndrome.

Is there anything I need to consider IR wise or mineral balancing wise if I add Boron back to my supplements?

Thanks Nancy 

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celestinefarm
 

Nancy, are you considering reinstating the laundry additive or using boron capsules, etc. manufactured for humans?  I can't answer your question about whether you should add it as a supplement, but I would caution you not to use the 20 mule team borax.  I know they claim it is "pure" but it is not tested, nor equilibrated into amounts to provide exactly how much boron you get if it is ingested. In fact, if it is ingested the manufactures instructions are to seek medical attention immediately.
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Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Wondering regardless if the source of there are mineral balancing considerations or contraindications for IR. 

I understand the sourcing question but, it was something discussed with my vet over 2 yrd ago and am not concerned. On fact I have read articles about its use.  Ideally if I could find a granule form with the same efficacy I would use it. Most supps that contain Boron have other minerals that I don't want to add. I have investigated many.

Thanks Nancy
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
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Cass in NorCal
 

Hi, Nancy.
I know little about health benefits of supplementing boron, having invested in removing boron from drinking water to avoid its known health risks described in detail by WHO. NRC 6th revised edition (not current but the one I have)  says "Based on the current status of knowledge, the natural occurrence is sufficient.... The supplementation of these elements [boron, nickel and vanadium] is not based on scientifically elaborated, valid data and has the potential to be dangerous to horses." 

I'm glad you don't use borax. There are food-grade supplements like boron citrate. The little reading I've done suggests that boron in supplements was quickly excreted in urine in amounts close to the amounts supplemented. https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Boron-HealthProfessional/  

Here's the UC Davis article about a very small group of horses, focusing primarily on increasing magnesium supplementation to help with trigeminal head-shaking. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/jvim.15499  

Are you thinking Vinnie is head-shaking? A video would be very helpful. 
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Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 
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Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Would someone be able to answer the question about contraindications for IR? Od there see none known that is sufficient.

Thx Nan
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Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 
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None known is not the same thing as none exist.

This is the MSDS for sodium tetraborate (20 Mule Team Borax) https://fscimage.fishersci.com/msds/21010.htm There are several plain boron supplements for humans on the market which would be much more suitable for experimentation than a laundry additive.
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Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thanks Dr Kellon!! What is angood option, I do want to add itt back to see if it helps with his arthritis. I was looking at platinum's supplement that has boron and magnesium, but I think I am already giving enough mag in the two uckele products.  I wish uckele made a formula with boron :)

Thanks Nancy
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Janet Oppio
 
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The benefits of Boron are well documented in Nothing Boring About Boron publishished on the nih site...specifically regarding the prevention and/or mitigation of osteoarthritis. I just love this summary article. CA grass hays are likely to have very low levels of boron as USGS soil surveys show low levels in general throughout the growing regions of the state, so i dont see supplementation as bad idea...for people either. 
-- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4712861/
Janet 
East Bay Northern CA
Joined 2019
Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thank you  so much Janet!! I had forgotten about this article. My vet had referred me to it when we first added boron to Vinnie's supplements :)
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