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has anyone tried Acetyl-L-carnitine? Did you notice any results with helping to get rid of cresty neck? thank you
-- Yvonne Rego Terrace BC 2022 |
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Hi Yvonne
ALCAR is used primarily for nerve (neuropathic) pain. We have seen some members report insulin improvement. It does not replace a tested and balanced diet. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2021-2022 |
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The cresty neck is a sign of insulin resistance so to get rid of it you need to control the diet and lower insulin.ALCar does help with insulin resistance in studies in other species but it is not going to be the solution by itself.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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Shera Felde
My mare had her first normal insulin test (26). She is in regular exercise, a good weight, diet working, but her crest is still there. She's had it most of her life. Is there more I should do/can do?
-- Shera Felde, Central Oregon, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Story%20and%20Shera https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253720 |
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Sherry Morse
Hi Shera, Was she on hay only (non-fasting) when that test was taken? If so, you may want to look at places to tighten up her diet or increase exercise, but you also need to consider if the crest is hard or is it soft and pliable? A hard crest is more concerning than one that is soft.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Shera Felde
She gets 1 cup of Haystack low/low hay pellets with supp's in the am but otherwise had only had hay. Her test was at 1:00. The crest is hard but seems shorter than it was a few months ago. Puzzling since her insulin was normal and her weight is good. Thanks, Sherry!
-- Shera Felde, Central Oregon, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Story%20and%20Shera https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253720 |
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Sherry Morse
Hi Shera, As Nancy mentioned the other day (Re: karo syrup test vs serum (groups.io)) we'd expect to see a number closer to 10 in a non-IR horse. 26 may be in the reference range but is still higher than normal on just hay. Keep her in work, keep her diet as tight as possible and keep an eye on her weight.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Hi Shera
Here's some info on why the reference range, or "within normal limits", is not normal. https://www.ecirhorse.org/FastingInsulin-LabRefRanges.php -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2021-2022 |
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thank you, I am feeding low sugar hay at the moment
-- Yvonne Rego Terrace BC 2022 |
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Shera Felde
Thank you both. I read the article, used the calculator, and then found it a challenge to interpret the results. Do you know the real meaning of G/I ratio- 3.69; RISQI .20; MIRG 9.5?
-- Shera Felde, Central Oregon, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Story%20and%20Shera https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253720 |
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Hi Shera
I promise, it was a challenge for me too for more than a brief time. Hang in there. To be not at risk for laminitis you need a G/I ratio above 10, RISQI greater than 0.32. MIRG is used when glucose is also high, pointing to a diabetic condition that might skew the other two results. I did not see an updated test in the CH so can't comment further. Updating that info would help us help you faster and give you a more complete picture. Conditions at the time of the test are also important
Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2021-2022 |
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Shera Felde
Thank you, Nancy. It would seem that a 26 score is better but not ideal given the ratios she has. Rats.
-- Shera Felde, Central Oregon, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Story%20and%20Shera https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253720 |
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Frances C
I'm thinking of trying ALCAR to help my DSLD mare for neuropathic pain. What would be the dosage for 900-1000 lbs? ForagePlus says 10 grams for 500 kg horse. Feed with alpha lipoic acid?
-- - Frances C. December 2017, Washington & California Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382 |
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I would try Tendon EQ before ALCar https://uckele.com/tendon-eq.html . I formulated it after 10 years studying DSLD horses.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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