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flu rhino for ppid
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for a senior horse ppid,, how often are we vaccinating? My vet wanted to vaccinate at four months and I said no.
FluVacInnovator on 6/28/22, if this zoetis product caused some side effects, lethargy off appetite etc., what product would you suggest I use next time? Thank you -- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse( over the rainbow) and majestic ‘s Case History
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That is one of the best Flu vaccines out there. Frequency of vaccination should be based on risk of exposure. Isolated horses don't need it. Those on properties with a lot of traffic get yearly or every six months.
Another option is FluAvert I.N. which is an intranasal modified live vaccine. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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nancyochi
I’m still trying to figure out what triggered Dot’s recent laminitis. He had been doing great for 3 months. He received Calvenza flu/rhino the week prior to the recent onset, as well as EquiMax wormer. Is the Calvenza brand recommended for a PPID/EMS horse?
Thank you, Nancy -- Nancy O, Colorado, 2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Dot https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=280596 |
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Yes... please let us know about the intranasal Calvenza flu-rhino. That's the one my horses have always gotten annually with no side effects but I'll switch if I need to be worried about it.
-- Linda in Grass Valley, CA 2020 Midnight and Ostara https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara |
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Nancy, a possible explanation, aside from the Flu Rhino vaccination which Dr Kellon already discussed, is that Dot experienced an insulin spike after receiving Equimax dewormer. ECIR cautions that one of its ingredients, praziquantel, has the potential to cause an insulin spike in response to a glucose elevation provoked by praziquantel. It is listed on the list of items to avoid that each of us should post in our tack rooms. https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/4%20Insulin%20Resistance/1%20Avoid%20These%20Items.pdf
You can also read about it here: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Deworming/Praziquantel%20Precaution.pdf It's not a hard and fast rule, but it's a precaution. For a fragile equine with uncontrolled EMS or one recovering from laminitis, I take those precautions seriously. Instead of using a dewormer with praziquantel like Equimax or QuestPlus to deworm for tapeworms - something we really must do for our PPID equines- next time you can use feed-through Strongid C2X for 30 days or two sets of double dose Strongid paste given 2 weeks apart, for 4 total doses. -- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos |
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nancyochi
Thank you SO MUCH for clarifying! I found a map showing the % of tapeworm infections by area. We are in Colorado which, if I am interpreting the map right, we are a 19.1% infection rate, so rather low comparatively. Previously he lived in Wisc which is a considerably higher percentage (95.8%). We did annual fecal egg counts in Wisc and he was always a low shedder. One fecal egg here last year showed the same. Therefore I am wondering if worming at all is worth the risk, given all he has going on health wise.
Thank you, Nancy -- Nancy O, Colorado, 2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Dot https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=280596 |
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I also live in a low risk area, but that doesn’t mean no risk of tapeworms. I found one deposited in a water trough in the last month. Strongid is very low risk to your horse. Fecal egg counts won’t detect tapeworms. Don’t misinterpret the information about praziquantel to mean all deworming is a risk. Ivermectin which addresses many parasites is very safe. Better yet take Dr Kellon’s short course on Deworming. It will all become much clearer. |
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Fecal egg counts have a lot of limitations. Read this https://wp.me/p2WBdh-Bv . Waiting until you have a strongly positive fecal is a really bad idea because much of the damage comes from immature forms that don't lay eggs and, as Cass said, tapeworms are difficult to detect. It's much more risky in terms of adverse reactions to deworm a heavily parasitized horse.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com |
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