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Elevated ACTH levels in Winter
chloekivlehan@...
Hello!
So my mare was first tested for Cushing's in January of this year, the same week she came down with laminitis. Her ACTH levels came back at 30 and my vet at the time decided to put her on Prascend. I've since learned obviously that ATCH levels can be elevated by stress and that this more than likely wasn't the cause of her laminitis. She had a second laminitis attack in March and was tested again. Her ACTH levels came back 18.7 (she was still on Prascend at this stage). I switched vets a few weeks later and I discussed my concerns over whether or not she actually has Cushing's and if she should be on Prascend. Vet agreed that her levels weren't high enough to indicate Cushing's so we took her off the Prascend and retested her around 10 days later and her ACTH levels were 14.2. So last time she was on Prascend was April. Daisy has since come right and I'm slowly bringing her back into work (yay!). In October, I had my vet out as I was worried Daisy was showing some early signs of colic (had a lot of problems with this while she was on box rest so I'm definitely overcautious now - turns out she was just a bit gassy lol). While the vet was out I asked if we could do another Cushing's test. We're approaching a year since the first laminitis episode so I'm a bit paranoid. Daisy has always shown some of the signs of Cushing's but never actually tested positive (fat pockets, very thick coat in the winter). Her ACTH levels came back at 62 this time but my vet isn't too concerned, she thinks it's probably just seasonal fluctuation and doesn't want to put her on Prascend again unnecessarily. I figure the fact that her tummy was hurting her as well could have elevated them further but it still seems a bit high? What do you think? Thanks in advance! -- Chloe Kivlehan Kildare, Ireland 2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Chloe%20and%20Daisy https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273371 |
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Lesley Bludworth
Hi Chloe,
-- Do you know what her insulin levels have been, higher than normal insulin can cause lamits also, seperate from elevated, or non elevated ACTH. Lesley Bludworth Phoenix, AZ 7/2022 Sophie TWH mare IR/EMS, PPID? https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=277749 |
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chloekivlehan@...
She hasn't been tested since March but her levels were normal then, and that was during the worst of it.
-- Chloe Kivlehan Kildare, Ireland 2022 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Chloe%20and%20Daisy https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273371 |
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Sherry Morse
Fat pockets are a sign of IR, not PPID. If you haven't had her insulin tested recently you need to do that ASAP. For the same reason we recommend testing ACTH 3 weeks after reaching a target dose we suggest waiting 3 weeks after stopping Prascend before retesting. In short, your current test of 62, which is elevated for after the rise, is probably the most accurate.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891 |
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Hi Chloe,
Depending on the date you had her blood pulled I'd be suspicious of early PPID. The peak of the seasonal rise was in late September so if that result was from 1 month later, you can be fairly sure it was actually higher in September. Can you do a TRH Stimulation test between January-May? That will help you determine if she is in the early stages of PPID. Her fasting insulin in March was normal, as was her ACTH on Prascend, which makes me question if she even had metabolic laminitis then. Were there any other triggers, such as an infection/fever? We recommend doing a baseline nonfasting insulin (at least 4 hrs after the first meal of the day) while she is eating her normal forage (no grain). That will give you more information about her metabolic status and risk of laminitis this winter. -- Kirsten and Shaku (EMS + PPID) and Snickers (EMS) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album Snickers' Case History Snickers' Photo Album |
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