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Cathy and Teddy #285204 Edited Still trying to find my way around the site. I have found a supplier of rhodes hay for my mini and they have provided me with a detailed feed analysis, but i don't know where to put this information and i don't know what i am looking at. -- Cathy in NSW, 2022 Teddys Folder - Teddys Case History Teddys Album - Teddys Album
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Sherry Morse #285205 Hi Cathy, First you need to create a folder on the case history sub group and move Teddy's case history (currently floating around loose in the files) to that folder. You would then upload any hay analysis (if it's a PDF format) to the same folder. If it's a JPG format you need to create a photo album in the case history sub group and upload the file there. To create the case history folder: go to https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files and click the "+New/Upload" button and select "New Folder" from the drop down. Name this folder "Cathy and Teddy". Once the folder is created do a search on "Teddy" and click on the scissors icon to the right of the file name for your case history. When the list comes up of where you want to move the file scroll to the bottom and select the folder you just created. You will then need to update your signature with the folder name, not the file name. You only have to do this once as any updates will then take place within that folder, not the file. If you have any questions let us know where you are getting stuck. Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Cathy and Teddy #285232 Thanks Sherry, have just spent time with hubby and he has sorted out Teddy's case file and also made a photo album. I have uploaded an image of the hay analysis I received for the rhodes hay I am looking at for Teddy. Cathy in NSW, 2022 Teddys Folder - Teddys Case History Teddys Album - Teddys Album
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Sherry Morse #285238 Hi Cathy, Well #1 that test was done NIR which means values can be off as much as 30% vs. wet chem which is why we don't recommend NIR. Then it's a dry matter test and you want to look at 'as-fed' values for ESC+starch and this test only shows ESC. There's a calculation to do dry matter to as fed but in a nut shell I wouldn't feed this hay without soaking and I'd continue to look for something safer as the DM ESC+starch could be as high as 6.63% which means the as fed is higher. Hopefully one of our Mods with more time/experience can fill you in on the closer to actual numbers. Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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gypsylassie #285257 I “think” the “as fed” percentage figures will be a little lower than DM, but I’ll have to search out an old Equi Analytical hay test to verify that. The reasoning behind it, is the numbers in the as sampled column include the moisture, which has a diluting effect. Laura K. Chappie & Beau (over the bridge) 2011 N IL
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Cathy and Teddy #285264 As I have to drive over two hours to pick this hay up, if it isn't good for Teddy to have I would rather keep trying to find some good hay. Trouble is most produce places seem to change supplies often and it would make it hard to keep testing every lot of hay I buy. -- Cathy in NSW, 2022 Teddys Folder - Teddys Case History Teddys Album - Teddys Album
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Kirsten Rasmussen #285285 I would not say this is not good hay. The NDF is a bit high, suggesting it could be a bit unpalatable, and the protein is a bit high but not alarming. ESC + starch is 5.4% DM (so will be a bit less "as fed"). Even if it's as much as 30% higher (since NIR often underestimates carbs), you're only looking at 6.9% DM ESC + starch. Anything <7 is ok for most horses. -- Kirsten and Shaku (EMS + PPID) and Snickers (EMS) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Case History Shaku's Photo Album Snickers' Case History Snickers' Photo Album
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Kirsten Rasmussen #285286 I have referred back to this post on what to look at on a hay test many many times. I look first for the ESC and starch, because I really hate soaking hay. Next, I check the ADF and NDF - if they are higher than 40% (reduces digestibilty) and 60% (reduces palatability) I might think twice. (or I might not, depending on the hay season and whatever else is available) Protein should be 8% to 11%; if it is 6% to 7.9%, I can deal with that with protein supplements, but any lower than 6% is out. (because the hay is likely no more than "grass skeletons", as Dr. Gustafson says). Season of cutting has a big effect on protein, as more mature hays generally have lower protein. Whether first cut or second cut, more depends on the weather conditions and the maturity of the hay than whether first cut or second cut. (ie - poor weather conditions often make for later than optimal cutting, and more mature hay) Proper soil analysis and fertilizing the hay fields can make a big difference in major minerals and trace minerals. I know Nancy achieved much better results from her hay grower when she tested hay, soil and got fertilizing recommendations . https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/193387 Jaini Clougher (BSc, BVSc) Merlin (over the bridge), Maggie, Gypsy, Ranger BC 09 ECIR mod/support -- Kirsten and Shaku (EMS + PPID) and Snickers (EMS) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Case History Shaku's Photo Album Snickers' Case History Snickers' Photo Album
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