Help for a rescue I don't seem to be able to correct


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The two most important things in reversing this are trim according to this article https://hoofrehab.com/DistalDescent.htm and careful attention to diet with adequate protein/amino acids and mineral balance. It won't be overnight, but it's possible.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."


Lydia Lawson
 

Thank you very much for taking a look Dr Kellon. It had not occurred to me to be something else besides Laminitis. I don't know anything about pedal osteitis and now I will go study and ask my vet about that possibility. The way I saw the surface of her hooves go from smooth to having bumpy rings made me think she had continued laminitis but I think you are saying that is just due to inflammation from a possibly different cause. My first impression of her was that the neglect of her feet would not be that hard to correct once we got those long toes off. I just thought she would grow out healthy hoof. This helps me as I was in the mindset just thinking laminitis and not knowing a cause I could tend to. Thank you for helping.
--
Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lydia%20and%20Bobbie/Bobbie%20Case%20History.pdf
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282100


Maxine McArthur
 

Hi Lydia
Here's the link to the subgroup pages in case you're on your phone and it hides the menu like mine does.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/subgroups


--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Lydia,

If you go to the web site you will see subgroups in the menu on the left. Click on that then ECIR Hoof. You can leave your files here and just link to them.

The proxies don't really tell you anything more than insulin does, especially now since Cornell is using a different assay than when the proxies were developed.  In fact, we will likely stop using them soon.

Remember that having sore feet does not automatically mean laminitis. The very long toes and underrun heels she had were more than enough reason. When you have distal descent like that you usually have pedal oseitits and that can also cause remodeling of the coffin bone.

--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."


Lydia Lawson
 

Case History and Photos are up. I put up some photos of each hoof I took today. Disclaimer: It is rainy and muddy so I rinsed off her feet but they look squishy and wet in the photos. They actually look sort of better in the photos than in real life I think. Its harder to see how many defined rings she has and her sole was just falling away which was freaking me out since she has none and her frogs peeled off from wearing boots and casts so much even though I do my best to keep them dry.

I realize it does not look like my horse is IR or PPID. On the advice I got here I am sending out a hay analysis on the hay I have now which will last me about a month ( I picked up a little more yesterday) Hopefully Ill get the test and figure out how to balance my minerals (its been a very long time since Ive done this) before I run out of the hay.

I realize maybe this is not the right group to seek advice from since we think shes not EMS but I spent hours here getting my info and pictures in so I am hoping someone might take a look. I was told there is a trimming group associated with the ECIR group? maybe you can point me in the right direction for that.

I still don't have an answer for her being laminitic but hopeful getting her diet tight will help her poor feet so we can get her exercising.

Also lastly when I put her test numbers into the calculator It came out G:I 6.94, RISQI 0.29, MIRG 6.8 and in the description on that page it said something about RISQI lower than .32 and MIRG higher than 5.6 as being a risk factor for susceptibility to pasture laminitis. Is this something I pay attention to?


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Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lydia%20and%20Bobbie/Bobbie%20Case%20History.pdf
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282100


Lydia Lawson
 

Thank you Martha, Cass and Cindy for the tremendous amount of help I got getting this together. Hopefully I have everything in order now. I will try to get new photos of her feet today from the angles requested so there is current pictures but its raining and muddy. The most recent ones I had have casts on her feet so that might not be helpful but I put them in there. She is barefoot and booted right now. The casts were so I could start riding her and getting her exercised but I ended up so busy during that time that she only got out a few times and since then she started looking sore when turning so I put off trying to exercise her.

So if she is not PPID or IR then I assume she is not an appropriate case for this group but I am not getting more direction from my vet who I respect very much so it looks like what Im being advised here is to get her hay tested and balance my minerals. Hope I can remember how to do that. Its been many years since I have balanced. Can anyone give me an idea what might cause chronic laminitis in a horse who is not PPID, IR or having a current health/inflammation issue? Can the diet I have her on be that deficient to cause a problem like this? I would feel pretty guilty if it is. I have scoured the internet and really have not found anything except supportive hoof care advice and Id love to fix her issue at the source. Of course maybe someone already went through all of this with her and that's how she ended up at auction. However I feel anyone who would really try hard would not take a horse to auction so..
One thing I noticed if I am reading it right is that according to the calculator her numbers are slightly outside the proper ratio. Is this so slight I ignore that?
--
Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lydia%20and%20Bobbie/Bobbie%20Case%20History.pdf
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282100


 
Edited

Pretty close to perfect, Lydia.  Just needs a bit of touching up.
Could you please export your doc file on your Mac to a pdf file and post that instead of the doc file.  Apple people, like me, can read the doc file but there are other reasons for the conversion, including space and protecting your file.

The link to you album isn’t active.  I can fix it on this post but you need to fix your signature.  Just press return after the link and then be sure to press “Save”.

From your case history, I would conclude as you did that she is neither IR nor PPID.  Quarter horses are rarely IR, although it must depend on their breeding a bit because we’ve run across quite a few who are.  She’s young, but not impossibly so, for PPID but her blood testing doesn’t suggest that either.

I have not looked at her photos yet but I would focus on improving her nutritional balance, including having her hay analyzed and balanced, adding a measured amount of salt to her diet as well as vitamin E.

edited to add:
I just now looked at the photo album.  Could please relabel the photos according to the protocol in the Wiki.  Go half way down the page for help with photos.  This will put them in chronological order as well as giving us some idea of what we are looking at.

Thank you!
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo
 


Lydia Lawson
 
Edited

I do believe I got the case history and the photos up now! Links below. I have many more photos but this is the general idea. thank you so much for your help.
--
Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lydia%20and%20Bobbie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282100


 

Hi, Lydia.
I sent you a message directly so that we don't clog the forum with technical issues. Look for it in your emails, and we will sort this through.
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Lydia Lawson
 

Thank you I will do this!
--
Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008


Cindy M
 

Hey, Lydia,
Even if you are struggling with the Case History, you can create a Case History folder in the Case History sub-group, create a photo album, and get your hoof and body photos uploaded there.  You can also add the link to your folder to your signature so everything else is in place when you get the Case History sorted out.
--
Cindy Martin, KPA CTP
ECIR Group MOD
Mad Dog Ranch
Nov 2009
Lincoln, AR (USA)
Burley - Reuban - Scout - Grace Case Histories


Lydia Lawson
 

Bobbie is a 12 yr old Quarter horse mare. Shes about 15.2 and her body condition is good right now. She gained weight so easily on grass hay that I thought she might be pregnant but then she cam into heat. And thats part of why I did the metabolic testing. Shes not fat though. Im not completely versed in body score so I need to look it up. I am trying to get the Case History up I just can download the form. My computer must be too old. It says to request it by email but then how do I upload it... Ill get this all figured out so I can get more information to all you helpful people. Im so grateful
--
Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008


 

Hi, Lydia.  Getting your CH and photos up will be so helpful.  I have two comments. Exercise and movement are critical to the health of every horse's hooves, IR or not. That assumes the hooves are ready for exercise with enough sole depth and a physiologically correct trim. After you post photos, ECIR volunteers can take a look and offer more comments on the feet. 

Second, we've learned a lot about what is a lab "normal" and what is just the particular lab's experience. Ideally, a lab bases a reference range on studies, not just the cases that happen to submit blood samples. Looking forward to seeing the details!
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


 

Hi Lydia,
Do you have any thoughts on what breed(s) Bobbie might be?  Height?  Body score?  Those would spur our imaginations a bit.
I had the experience of having tested my hay years ago and used the recommended as almost perfect generic mix without seeing any improvement.  Dr. Kellon recommended one addition and that made all the difference I was looking for in Logo’s hoof quality.  And it was completely related to my hay analysis.  All of your horses would benefit from having their hay balanced, just metabolic horses more so.
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo
 


Lydia Lawson
 

Thank you Cass
This is interesting
I think this is why I am having trouble figuring this out. The diet is controlled, The trim is what it needs to be and best we can do for her deformed feet, the labs all are normal (and it seems my vet is up on current and correct protocol with sampling etc). The only part I have not implemented is much exercise. At one point she was doing well enough I was intending to start exercising her but then I felt her feet got worse and thought maybe I shouldn't. Also I thought if shes not IR then maybe the exercise component might not be as important. Is that correct? To be honest I did not see her bloodwork results myself I just took her word for it. I am going to get a case history file up today I hope and include some photos. I will email the vet and see if I can get copies. I have always been under the impression that laminitis has one of three causes: Metabolic, inflamatory or mechanical. I totally thought she was in the mechanical category based on her neglect but now Ive had her well taken care of for 10 months so you would think she'd have almost a whole new and healthy hoof but that is not whats happening so there has to be something else...
I will get all the info up and maybe you will see a big red flag that can help her
--
Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008


Lydia Lawson
 

Thank you Bobbie. Interestingly I call this horse Bobbie haha. This had occurred to me also so maybe I need to balance her minerals instead of just using the CT. I did take Dr Kellons course but I have not balanced anything for several years due to the fact that I can't get a large quantity of hay at each delivery. Occasionally I test just to make sure sugar levels are ok and then try to buy from the same source as long as supply is available.The horses are at home so I do all the care and I have that in my favor. I recently had my well water tested and iron levels are good. Im down to 12 bales on this load so when I get new hay I will go ahead and run an analysis. I kind of figured just using CA trace was probably not significantly different but maybe that is worth trying. Thank you for the suggestion.
--
Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008


 

I'll add my own experience with event lines. My horse had acute laminitis diagnosed in early May (probably was going on for a few months) and had NO event lines visible on her hoof walls until almost two months after acute laminitis event. I will add that event lines were visible on her bars months before I saw anything on the hoof walls.

Event lines are a gross indicator, a bit like pulses. They may indicate a change, but whether that change is metabolically or diet or illness-induced, we don't know without a thorough investigation.  That's why it pays to go through the DDT+E exercise, to determine if there are metabolic (or other!) causes. It's helpful to see blood work, CBC and Chemistries, in case they point to an underlying condition.

--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Bobbie Day
 

Lydia
First off thanks for taking her on, I have a lot of experience with KP horses so I know how hard it can be so thank you.
Ive shared this many times but it always bears repeating, I had three horses from the KP I brought home in 2015. One was IR and PPID (my reason for being here) and another that was really bad. He had tooth infections and abscess that was a constant issue. One right after another, his coronary band mostly.
 The only thing that helped him was taking Dr.K’s courses and balancing his diet. I too fed CT up until then, and although it’s great to get you through short term nothing helps their overall health than feeding just what they need and nothing less. I know it’s a hassle when you board but can you source your own hay?
Good luck, we’re here for you.
--

Bobbie and Maggie 
Desi (over the rainbow bridge 7/21) 
Utah, Nov 2018
ECIR Group Primary Response 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Maggie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=271156

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Lydia Lawson
 

Thank you for all of this. I definitely need to be brought up to speed! I will do my best to get all her info together. I was thinking her case might not even be appropriate for the group since she’s not diagnosed IR or PPID but I really want to help her get better and Im kind of stumped and didn’t know where else to turn. I am very interested to see what others might have experienced with a horse like this.


Lydia Lawson
805-540-4505
www.lifeguardcpr.com


On Dec 1, 2022, at 11:09 AM, Martha McSherry via groups.io <mmcsherry@...> wrote:

Hi Lydia,

I know you’ve been a member of the group for many years but I thought it might be helpful to send you the welcome we send to new members - and sometimes to others like yourself who might want to be brought up to speed.

If you could put together and post a case history, including any radiographs you have, that would be most helpful to us in advising you. The event lines you see could be caused by something such as a diet change and are not necessarily related to laminitis.  With appropriate photos of her hooves, we can also advise you on her trim.  We see many horses with underrun heels and, while not easy to fix, Lavinia, our trim expert will have suggestions.

It would be helpful for us to see the actual lab reports on her insulin, glucose and ACTH blood testing.  Once we have all the details in hand, I’m sure you will receive many useful suggestions.  Thank you so much for taking time to care for these horses which have been neglected by others!  And now for the formal welcome letter.

Welcome to the group! 

The ECIR Group provides the best, most up to date information on Cushing's (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). Please explore our website where you'll find tons of great information that will help you to quickly understand the main things you need to know to start helping your horse. Also open any of the links below (in blue font) for more information/instructions that will save you time.

Have you started your Case History? If you haven't done so yet, please join our case history sub-group. We appreciate you following the uploading instructions so your folder is properly set up with the documents inside. Go to this CH message with info on how to use various devices and forms. If you have any trouble, just post a message to let us know where you are stuck. 

Orienting information, such as how the different ECIR sections relate to each other, message etiquettewhat goes where and many how-to pages are in the Wiki. There is also an FAQs on our website that will help answer the most common and important questions new members have. 

Below is a general summary of our DDT/E philosophy which is short for Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.

 

DIAGNOSIS: There are two conditions dealt with here: Cushings (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). These are two separate issues that share some overlapping symptoms. An equine may be either PPID or EMS/IR, neither or both. While increasing age is the greatest risk factor for developing PPID, IR can appear at any age and may have a genetic component. Blood work is used for diagnosis as well as monitoring the level of control of each.

PPID is diagnosed using the Endogenous ACTH test, while EMS/IR is diagnosed by testing non-fasting insulin and glucose.

The fat-derived hormone leptin is also usually abnormally elevated in insulin resistance but because there are many other things which can lower or increase leptin ECIR is not recommending routine testing for this hormone. Leptin is the hormone that says "stop eating".

In Europe, adiponectin is tested instead of leptin. Adiponectin helps regulate glucose and fat burning, and maintain insulin sensitivity. Low levels are associated with EMS. It has come to be preferred over leptin because it is not influenced by things like weight or exercise, and also because it was the only factor other than insulin levels that predicted laminitis risk

*Before calling your vet to draw blood for tests, we suggest saving time and wasted money by reading these details and then sharing them with your vet so that everyone is on the same page regarding correct testing and protocols.

*Please remember to request copies of the results of all the tests done rather than just relying on verbal information. Your vet should be able to email these to you. If you have previous test results, please include those as well. All should go in your CH, but if you are having any trouble with the CH, just post in the messages for now. 

Treatment: EMS is a metabolic type - not a disease - that is managed with a low sugar+starch diet and exercise (as able). The super-efficient easy keeper type breeds such as minis, ponies, Morgans, Arabs, Rockies are some of the classic examples. PPID is a progressive disease that is treated with the medication pergolide. Some, but not all, individuals may experience a temporary loss of appetite, lethargy and/or depression when first starting the medication. To avoid this "pergolide veil" (scroll down for side effects), we recommend weaning onto the drug slowly and the use of the product APF. The best long term results are seen when the ACTH is maintained in the middle of the normal range at all times, including during the annual seasonal rise. To accomplish this, the amount of medication may need to increase over time. Neither condition is ever "cured", only properly controlled for the remainder of the equine's life. If your partner is both PPID and IR then both medication and diet management will be needed. 

DIET: Almost all commercial feeds are not suitable - no matter what it says on the bag. Please see the International Safe Feeds List for the safest suggestions.

No hay is "safe" until proven so by chemical analysis. The diet that works for IR is:

  • low carb (less than 10% sugar+starch)
  • low fat (4% or less) 
  • mineral balanced  

We use grass hay, tested to be under 10% ESC + starch, with minerals added to balance the excesses and deficiencies in the hay, plus salt, and to replace the fragile ingredients that are lost when grass is cured into hay, we add ground flax seed and Vitamin E. This diet is crucial for an EMS/IR horse, but also supports the delicate immune system of a PPID horse. 

*Until you can get your hay tested and balanced we recommend that you soak your hay and use the emergency diet (scroll down for it).  The emergency diet is not intended for long term use, but addresses some of the most common major deficiencies. Testing your hay and getting the minerals balanced to its excesses and deficiencies is the best way to feed any equine (look under the Hay Balancing file if you want professional help balancing). If you absolutely cannot test your hay and balance the minerals to it, or would like to use a "stop gap" product until you get your hay balanced, here's a list of "acceptable" ration balancers

There is a lot of helpful information in the start here folder so it is important you read all the documents found there. The emergency diet involves soaking your untested hay for an hour in cold water or 30 minutes in hot water. This removes up to 30% of the sugar content, but no starch. Starch is worse than sugar since it converts 100% to glucose while sugar only converts 50%, so starch causes a bigger insulin spike. Make sure you dump the soaking water where the equine(s) can't get to it. 

What you don't feed on the EMS/IR diet is every bit as, if not more important than, what you do feed! No grass. No grain. No sugary treats, including apples and carrots. No brown/red salt blocks which contain iron (and sometimes molasses) which interferes with mineral balancing, so white salt blocks only. 

No products containing molasses. No bagged feeds with a combined sugar and starch of over 10% or starch over about 4%, or fat over about 4%. Unfortunately, even bagged feeds that say they are designed for IR and/or PPID equines are usually too high in sugar, starch and/or fat. It’s really important to know the actual analysis and not be fooled by a name that says it is suitable for EMS/IR individuals.

We do not recommend feeding alfalfa hay to EMS/IR equines as it makes many of them laminitic. Although it tends to be low in sugar, many times the starch is higher and does not soak out. Additionally, protein and calcium are quite high, which can contribute to sore footedness and make mineral balancing very difficult.

TRIM: A proper trim is toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof capsule closely hugs and supports the internal structures of the foot. Though important for all equines, it's essential for IR and/or PPID equines to have a proper trim in place since they are at increased risk for laminitis. After any potential triggers are removed from the diet, and in PPID individuals, the ACTH is under control, the realigning trim is often the missing link in getting a laminitic equine comfortable. In general, laminitic hooves require more frequent trim adjustments to maintain the proper alignment so we recommend the use of padded boots rather than fixed appliances (i.e. shoes, clogs), at least during the initial phases of treatment.

Sometimes subclinical laminitis can be misdiagnosed as arthritis, navicular, or a host of other problems as the animal attempts to compensate for sore feet. 

You are encouraged to make an album and post hoof pictures and any radiographs you might have so we can to look to see if you have an optimal trim in place. Read this section of the wiki for how to get a hoof evaluation, what photos are needed, and how to get the best hoof shots and radiographs.

EXERCISEThe best IR buster there is, but only if the equine is comfortable and non-laminitic. An individual that has had laminitis needs 6-9 months of correct realigning trims before any serious exercise can begin. Once the equine is moving around comfortably at liberty, hand walking can begin in long straight lines with no tight turns. Do not force a laminitic individual to move, or allow its other companions to do so. It will begin to move once the pain begins to subside. Resting its fragile feet is needed for healing to take place so if the animal wants to lay down, do not encourage it to get up. Place feed and water where it can be reached easily without having to move any more than necessary. Be extremely careful about movement while using NSAIDs (bute, banamine, previcox, etc.) as it masks pain and encourages more movement than these fragile feet are actually able to withstand. Additionally, NSAIDs (and icing) do not work on metabolic laminitis and long term NSAID use interferes with healing. Therefore, we recommend tapering off NSAIDs after the first week or so of use. If after a week's time your equine's comfort level has not increased, then the cause of the laminitis has not been removed and keeping up the NSAIDs isn't the answer - you need to address the underlying cause.

 

There is lots more information in our files and archived messages and also on our website. It is a lot of information, so take some time to go over it and feel free to ask any questions. If you are feeling overwhelmed, don't worry, you will catch on, and we are always here to help you! Once you have your case history uploaded, we can help you help your equine partner even better.

For members outside North America, there are country specific folders in the files and many international lists in the wiki to help you find local resources.

If you have any technical difficulties, please let us know so we can help you. 

 
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo
 


--
Lydia Lawson
CA Central Coast
Member since 2008


 

Hi Lydia,

I know you’ve been a member of the group for many years but I thought it might be helpful to send you the welcome we send to new members - and sometimes to others like yourself who might want to be brought up to speed.

If you could put together and post a case history, including any radiographs you have, that would be most helpful to us in advising you. The event lines you see could be caused by something such as a diet change and are not necessarily related to laminitis.  With appropriate photos of her hooves, we can also advise you on her trim.  We see many horses with underrun heels and, while not easy to fix, Lavinia, our trim expert will have suggestions.

It would be helpful for us to see the actual lab reports on her insulin, glucose and ACTH blood testing.  Once we have all the details in hand, I’m sure you will receive many useful suggestions.  Thank you so much for taking time to care for these horses which have been neglected by others!  And now for the formal welcome letter.

Welcome to the group! 

The ECIR Group provides the best, most up to date information on Cushing's (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). Please explore our website where you'll find tons of great information that will help you to quickly understand the main things you need to know to start helping your horse. Also open any of the links below (in blue font) for more information/instructions that will save you time.

Have you started your Case History? If you haven't done so yet, please join our case history sub-group. We appreciate you following the uploading instructions so your folder is properly set up with the documents inside. Go to this CH message with info on how to use various devices and forms. If you have any trouble, just post a message to let us know where you are stuck. 

Orienting information, such as how the different ECIR sections relate to each other, message etiquettewhat goes where and many how-to pages are in the Wiki. There is also an FAQs on our website that will help answer the most common and important questions new members have. 

Below is a general summary of our DDT/E philosophy which is short for Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.

 

DIAGNOSIS: There are two conditions dealt with here: Cushings (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). These are two separate issues that share some overlapping symptoms. An equine may be either PPID or EMS/IR, neither or both. While increasing age is the greatest risk factor for developing PPID, IR can appear at any age and may have a genetic component. Blood work is used for diagnosis as well as monitoring the level of control of each.

PPID is diagnosed using the Endogenous ACTH test, while EMS/IR is diagnosed by testing non-fasting insulin and glucose.

The fat-derived hormone leptin is also usually abnormally elevated in insulin resistance but because there are many other things which can lower or increase leptin ECIR is not recommending routine testing for this hormone. Leptin is the hormone that says "stop eating".

In Europe, adiponectin is tested instead of leptin. Adiponectin helps regulate glucose and fat burning, and maintain insulin sensitivity. Low levels are associated with EMS. It has come to be preferred over leptin because it is not influenced by things like weight or exercise, and also because it was the only factor other than insulin levels that predicted laminitis risk

*Before calling your vet to draw blood for tests, we suggest saving time and wasted money by reading these details and then sharing them with your vet so that everyone is on the same page regarding correct testing and protocols.

*Please remember to request copies of the results of all the tests done rather than just relying on verbal information. Your vet should be able to email these to you. If you have previous test results, please include those as well. All should go in your CH, but if you are having any trouble with the CH, just post in the messages for now. 

Treatment: EMS is a metabolic type - not a disease - that is managed with a low sugar+starch diet and exercise (as able). The super-efficient easy keeper type breeds such as minis, ponies, Morgans, Arabs, Rockies are some of the classic examples. PPID is a progressive disease that is treated with the medication pergolide. Some, but not all, individuals may experience a temporary loss of appetite, lethargy and/or depression when first starting the medication. To avoid this "pergolide veil" (scroll down for side effects), we recommend weaning onto the drug slowly and the use of the product APF. The best long term results are seen when the ACTH is maintained in the middle of the normal range at all times, including during the annual seasonal rise. To accomplish this, the amount of medication may need to increase over time. Neither condition is ever "cured", only properly controlled for the remainder of the equine's life. If your partner is both PPID and IR then both medication and diet management will be needed. 

DIET: Almost all commercial feeds are not suitable - no matter what it says on the bag. Please see the International Safe Feeds List for the safest suggestions.

No hay is "safe" until proven so by chemical analysis. The diet that works for IR is:

  • low carb (less than 10% sugar+starch)
  • low fat (4% or less) 
  • mineral balanced  

We use grass hay, tested to be under 10% ESC + starch, with minerals added to balance the excesses and deficiencies in the hay, plus salt, and to replace the fragile ingredients that are lost when grass is cured into hay, we add ground flax seed and Vitamin E. This diet is crucial for an EMS/IR horse, but also supports the delicate immune system of a PPID horse. 

*Until you can get your hay tested and balanced we recommend that you soak your hay and use the emergency diet (scroll down for it).  The emergency diet is not intended for long term use, but addresses some of the most common major deficiencies. Testing your hay and getting the minerals balanced to its excesses and deficiencies is the best way to feed any equine (look under the Hay Balancing file if you want professional help balancing). If you absolutely cannot test your hay and balance the minerals to it, or would like to use a "stop gap" product until you get your hay balanced, here's a list of "acceptable" ration balancers

There is a lot of helpful information in the start here folder so it is important you read all the documents found there. The emergency diet involves soaking your untested hay for an hour in cold water or 30 minutes in hot water. This removes up to 30% of the sugar content, but no starch. Starch is worse than sugar since it converts 100% to glucose while sugar only converts 50%, so starch causes a bigger insulin spike. Make sure you dump the soaking water where the equine(s) can't get to it. 

What you don't feed on the EMS/IR diet is every bit as, if not more important than, what you do feed! No grass. No grain. No sugary treats, including apples and carrots. No brown/red salt blocks which contain iron (and sometimes molasses) which interferes with mineral balancing, so white salt blocks only. 

No products containing molasses. No bagged feeds with a combined sugar and starch of over 10% or starch over about 4%, or fat over about 4%. Unfortunately, even bagged feeds that say they are designed for IR and/or PPID equines are usually too high in sugar, starch and/or fat. It’s really important to know the actual analysis and not be fooled by a name that says it is suitable for EMS/IR individuals.

We do not recommend feeding alfalfa hay to EMS/IR equines as it makes many of them laminitic. Although it tends to be low in sugar, many times the starch is higher and does not soak out. Additionally, protein and calcium are quite high, which can contribute to sore footedness and make mineral balancing very difficult.

TRIM: A proper trim is toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof capsule closely hugs and supports the internal structures of the foot. Though important for all equines, it's essential for IR and/or PPID equines to have a proper trim in place since they are at increased risk for laminitis. After any potential triggers are removed from the diet, and in PPID individuals, the ACTH is under control, the realigning trim is often the missing link in getting a laminitic equine comfortable. In general, laminitic hooves require more frequent trim adjustments to maintain the proper alignment so we recommend the use of padded boots rather than fixed appliances (i.e. shoes, clogs), at least during the initial phases of treatment.

Sometimes subclinical laminitis can be misdiagnosed as arthritis, navicular, or a host of other problems as the animal attempts to compensate for sore feet. 

You are encouraged to make an album and post hoof pictures and any radiographs you might have so we can to look to see if you have an optimal trim in place. Read this section of the wiki for how to get a hoof evaluation, what photos are needed, and how to get the best hoof shots and radiographs.

EXERCISEThe best IR buster there is, but only if the equine is comfortable and non-laminitic. An individual that has had laminitis needs 6-9 months of correct realigning trims before any serious exercise can begin. Once the equine is moving around comfortably at liberty, hand walking can begin in long straight lines with no tight turns. Do not force a laminitic individual to move, or allow its other companions to do so. It will begin to move once the pain begins to subside. Resting its fragile feet is needed for healing to take place so if the animal wants to lay down, do not encourage it to get up. Place feed and water where it can be reached easily without having to move any more than necessary. Be extremely careful about movement while using NSAIDs (bute, banamine, previcox, etc.) as it masks pain and encourages more movement than these fragile feet are actually able to withstand. Additionally, NSAIDs (and icing) do not work on metabolic laminitis and long term NSAID use interferes with healing. Therefore, we recommend tapering off NSAIDs after the first week or so of use. If after a week's time your equine's comfort level has not increased, then the cause of the laminitis has not been removed and keeping up the NSAIDs isn't the answer - you need to address the underlying cause.

 

There is lots more information in our files and archived messages and also on our website. It is a lot of information, so take some time to go over it and feel free to ask any questions. If you are feeling overwhelmed, don't worry, you will catch on, and we are always here to help you! Once you have your case history uploaded, we can help you help your equine partner even better.

For members outside North America, there are country specific folders in the files and many international lists in the wiki to help you find local resources.

If you have any technical difficulties, please let us know so we can help you. 

 
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
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