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Should I encourage more movement?
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Carly
Quest is starting to move a little more easily. Her boots fit and I open her stable door so she can walk around the yard. I am hoping the movement will help her heal, and move on any abscess she may have. However, her only focus is on finding more food. She goes to a stable where another horse's hay is reachable over the door. He tells her to go away, but she's persistent so waits then tries again and he let's her take the hay. I can't tie the hay elsewhere in his stable. I've tried timing it so she goes out after she's eaten lots of hay and a bowl of speedibeet. But still she just stands waiting for his hay.
Should I try lead her a bit or is it too soon? Should I lead her over the very rocky drive and let her go in the sand arena? Or is it too soon and I should just wait..? Perhaps she just waits for hay because it hurts to walk around ... Video from a couple of days ago https://youtube.com/shorts/7e2pnokfPNk?feature=share -- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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Carly,I would like to see more video of her walking ,but to my eye she doesn't look too sore to move away from her friend's hay stash. She looks very comfortable on this short walk,on hard surface.
I will be interested in what others see. -- Lorna in Eastern Ontario 2002 |
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Carly
I have another 6 seconds from that same day, but can get more tomorrow.
https://youtu.be/6rjUF0yDa8U Yesterday she startled in her stable and spun and trotted to the door, and today when I took her rug off she seemed very agile and comfortable scratching against the wall. -- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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I agree Quest looks better than before. If I can see the sand arena in the background through the entrance to the yard, that should be safe footing for brief turnout without any formal exercise. I wholeheartedly endorse resumption of daily routines without exercise. It incorporates a bit of movement and eases boredom. It doesn’t look like she’s lost any weight through this ordeal. My experience with acute laminitis was that confinement and inactivity reduce calorie needs. I suggest you measure or calculate a current weight and review Quest’s diet with Dr Kellon as a new recipient of Steglarto. |
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P. S. If Quest doesn’t want to go, listen to her. She knows how much her feet can handle.
-- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos |
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Trisha DePietro
Hi Carly. She looks comfortable for what she is doing. ... In case you haven't had a chance to read this: https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-exercise.php I agree with Cass, if she says "no" I would listen to her. If she were mine, I would let her mosey around in the yard several times a day and maybe once a week let her mosey about in the sand ring. If its not fenced, I would just let her chose her path and follow her along. (on the lead) .let her pick the speed and direction. But I would wait on any formal exercise...see how she does with additional daily walkabouts and re assess....she's very pretty.
-- Trisha DePietro Aug 2018 NH Primary Responder Dolly and Hope's Case Histories Dolly's Photos Hope's Photos HOW TO SEARCH THE ARCHIVES: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1993 |
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Carly
Thank you. Yes that's it in the background just over the drive. It's very soft - almost too soft when I was worried about suspensories! I will invite her to go over to it tomorrow.
She's not really lost any weight, though her crest finally felt smaller this morning. Dr Kellon okayed my suggested diet/meal plan when I started the steglatro. I have kept at 2% of target (9kg) and am still soaking most of her hay. I'm reluctant to cut it further ... I did try to measure her properly for the weight calculations about a week ago, though I'm not convinced I had the right place on the hip. I need different tape measure also. It's so hard getting weight off her - I had hoped the steglatro would have helped more, but it's still early days I guess. -- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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Carly
Thank you Trish, I am biased but I agree she's very pretty!
I was going to take her to the sand school this morning but she really didn't want her boots on. I don't know if her concern is the boots, or pain from going out. I'll offer again later, but don't want to force her. -- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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Carly
OK, so utter disaster!! So much for poor Quest can't walk well. Put her in the school and she started galloping, bucking, contorting, spinning!! She was delighted, and looked very much like a sound but completely mental horse! Boots stayed on but possibly twisted, she nearly fell at one point. Had to get her out before she even got to roll.
So ... I will probably give sedalin before I put her there again, will worry less about her ability to walk and let her loose in the yard as often as possible (especially when hay-sharing horse is out in the field). I imagine she'll be very sore after this. Will it have damaged the laminae/hoof at all? I feel very stupid ... -- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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Carly
I didn't think my yard owner got it on video, but here's the start!
https://youtube.com/shorts/XDXfdtshjnU?feature=share -- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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Oh my heart! Happy,happy horse.
I hope she doesn't regret her fling.She's so pretty. https://youtube.com/shorts/XDXfdtshjnU?feature=share -- Lorna in Eastern Ontario 2002 |
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Trisha DePietro
Well, now, that was interesting! I think she felt pretty good...and between the boots and the soft sand, I think she will be ok...I wouldn't allow this free form dancing everyday, but perhaps more in hand walking straight lines wide turns, no circles, will give her something to do besides freestyle! Just out of curiosity, is there a horse right next to the fence there eating hay with a red blanket on? Its hard to see...
-- Trisha DePietro Aug 2018 NH Primary Responder Dolly and Hope's Case Histories Dolly's Photos Hope's Photos HOW TO SEARCH THE ARCHIVES: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1993 |
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Haha,Trisha. "Free form dancing" ! Good one, and definitely an understatement.
I think she should be fine,too,given the soft footing,and how comfortable she seemed previously even on concrete . -- Lorna in Eastern Ontario 2002 |
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Carly
Free form dancing!! 🤣 it was meant to be a roll and stroll. I'm a bit worried about having her dance on the end of a lead for any in-hand walking ... she once broke my arm with her flamboyance! I will start in the yard and think carefully about taking her in the school again- my yard owner was also upset that the horses in the field came galloping over to join in the fun, tearing up the grass.
The red thing is a car, not a horse. Ah, bless her. 7 weeks of box rest, she probably thought she'd never get out! But I will be amazed if she's not pulled all her muscles, going from sedentary to that. Aside from the worry and shock she caused, it's really lovely to see her move and be happy. -- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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If you can get some injectable acepromazine from your vet, as little as 5 mg is enough to keep them on the ground with no ataxia.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January |
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Don’t feel bad. She needed that. Quest is a much younger and bigger mare than mine, so using sedation makes perfect sense. I’m sorry I didn’t warn you to expect Quest to roll, pop up and give a small rodeo. That isn’t a disaster. It’s a lesson on the hazards of rehabbing a young otherwise healthy horse. You didn’t break her. She gave you a preview. Recovery isn’t a straight line. Mine had a paddock breakout and galloped around the barn and down the gravel road before returning through the barn at a canter into her stall. She wasn’t wholly mended yet, resumed some time down in the shavings with sore feet. But she was roughly 2 weeks from being able to be in full time turnout on her drylot without spending hours down in the shavings every day and 4 weeks from full time barefoot turnout. Quest’s recovery schedule will be unique to her, obviously involving ways to manage burning off the jet fuel. Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 |
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Carly
Dr Kellon, My vet has given me sedalin in a syringe before - I have a little left, will this be the same?
-- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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Carly
Hi Cass,
I genuinely didn't think she was feeling well enough to do anything like that! She just kept on galloping and flying around until my yard owner went to get her and stopped her. Prior to laminitis if I turned her out in the school she'd try find a snack on the trees or just stand by the gate. She didn't move much at all. I am pleased she didn't run down a gravel road though!!! I can't imagine! -- Carly Nottinghamshire, UK, 2020 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carly%20and%20Quest https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=282557 |
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The Sedalin is an oral gel. You will have to give between 25 and 50 mg and onset of sedation will depend on how much is in her stomach.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January |
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It's wonderful to see her feeling so much better - good luck with persuading her to walk in hand in a straight line!
One thing I found with Sedalin was that if Omar was already a little bit over-excited before he had his dose it didn't help at all, and maybe even souped him up a bit more. If I caught a quiet moment to give it to him, before he anticipated a temporary release from prison was on the cards, it worked well to keep him calm during our therapeutic walks. -- Lesley and over the bridge Omar, ECIR Group Primary Response, 11-2012, Highland, UK Omar - Case History |
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