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Quest Plus is also fine as long as you have an accurate weight and the horse is not underweight.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January |
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Kirsten,
If you are safely using Ivermectin Gold with praziquantel coud not Quest gel plus (prazenquantel) be used also IF insulin is under control, known by blood work, or is there something else in that product to worry about? -- Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2020 K and J (over the rainbow bridge) and now T https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=259062 |
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Starshine Ranch
Thank you, Kirsten, I didn't quite connect Dr K's answer... this sure is a complicated disease.
-- Linda in Grass Valley, CA 2020 Midnight and Ostara https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara |
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Linda,
Dr Kellon basically answered that: Ivermectin Gold contains praziquantel which "could" cause glucose/insulin problemsWe have in rare instances had horses here develop laminitis after vaccinations, and theoretically it could happen after deworming. I think it's like the final straw that breaks the camel's back. Sometimes horses are teetering on the edge of acute laminitis already and something pushes them over the edge. Christmas carrots, a course of vaccinations, a bale of hay with more seed heads...theoretically, praziquantel in dewormer. Hence my suggestion to avoid these "final straw" triggers in horses where insulin is not under control, for which a hard crest or sub-clinical laminitis hoof pain are signs. -- Kirsten and Shaku (EMS + PPID) and Snickers (EMS) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album Snickers' Case History Snickers' Photo Album |
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Starshine Ranch
Kirsten,
Why avoid Ivermectin Gold if fat pads and crest or tender feet? Is it very different from other plain ivermectins? -- Linda in Grass Valley, CA 2020 Midnight and Ostara https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara |
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Hi Janet, if you've got insulin under control, the Invermectin Gold is fine. I use it on my EMS+PPID horse. I would avoid using it if you haven't had bloodwork done showing that your horse is doing well metabolically on her current diet, or if you see physical signs of hard crest, fat pads, tender hooves, etc, which would suggest her insulin is high.
-- Kirsten and Shaku (EMS + PPID) and Snickers (EMS) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album Snickers' Case History Snickers' Photo Album |
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Quest is only an issue with thin horses/ponies. Just dose according to weight. Ivermectin Gold contains praziquantel which "could" cause glucose/insulin problems but I honestly don't remember anyone reporting it did. As an alternative you can use plain ivermectin with a double dose of Strongid paste, repeating the Strongid in two weeks, or ivermectin with a month of the daily Strongid pellets. Repeat the fecal in 4 weeks.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January |
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I just read through all the documentation on worming, but still am unsure of the type of wormer I should be using and how often. I have a 650 pound MFT pony that is IR. In the past, my vet has recommended Ivermectin Gold or Quest after obtaining results from a fecal egg count. It seems as those they are the wormers I should be cautious about using. Please advice.
-- Janet M. OH 2021 |
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