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Anhydrosis, hyperthyroid, thyrol-L, etc...
Robin <Eclectk1@...>
I thought you all might be interested in this information from a
quite knowledgeable sorce... I've left the original poster's name & website address link at the bottom, and am copying here with her permission. It takes a bit of careful reading, fascinating information, however. Also note, in my discussion with BET labs they told me NEVER mix Thyrol-L with water (as in to dose with a syringe), that for some reason it will partially deactivate the Thyrol-L and significantly reduce effectiveness. She indicated that its ok to slightly dampen food if necessary, just don't try to actually make a water suspension of it... Here's the post from a breeding bulletin board when a hypothyroid issue came up during discussion of lymphangitis: ____________________________________ I've talked with him, Ray LeRoy, wonderful biochemist. He's worked with Dr. Sarah Ralston, VMD, in doing breakthrough nutritional work on horses. Unfortunately he's now retired. His supplement One AC was originally developed for people who cease sweating (called anhydrosis) usually as a result of exposure to extremely hot humid situations (which most of you won't believe but we actually have hot+humid in the southwest during the second half of our very hot summers). The FDA difficulties were such that he never wound up marketing it for humans, instead he found out about horses in Phoenix who were non-sweaters and decided to help them. It worked and he then marketed it nationwide. (He told me last year that it was only about $30 for a one month supply, don't know what it is now.) I don't have a full list of ingredients but Ray told me that the supplement was mainly an amino acid, L-Tyrosine, which is a precursor biochemically that is converted by the body into Thyroxine (T4, a major thyroid hormone). L-Tyrosine is a break down product of phenylalanine metabolism and is usually in good supply in the body but if the body does not process the phenylalanine correctly then it is left with too little tyrosine for conversion into thyroxine. A second biochemical pathway is what causes the main effect in anhydrotic horses, the lack of tyrosine acts on both this second biochemical pathway which is what leads to failure of the sweat glands, and ALSO on the thyroid. This is why non-sweaters (anhydrotic horses) have BOTH the hypothyroid symptoms and the anhydrosis. The end result is a horse that is a little low in T4, T4 is converted into T3 (another thyroid hormone) and since T4 is low T3 is also. The supplement also contains some minerals to help with L-Tyrosine uptake and to stimulate the conversion of phenylalanine into tyrosine. The result is that One AC works for about 90% of all horses that are otherwise normal but cease to sweat properly. For the other 10% of non-sweaters Ray suspects that there is some other problem with the biochemical pathway and therefore the supplement doesn't help. What does all this mean? It means that if your horse is a non-sweater (anhydrotic) and the supplement worked to get her sweating again then she is indeed somewhat low in thyroid hormones also, however the reason she is low in thyroid hormones is because of a breakdown in the processing of phenylalanine into tyrosine. Why is it important to know that? Because treatment with Thyro-L (thyroid hormones) is kind of like a shotgun treatment, it shoots a big hole in things where all you really need is a little tiny pin prick. This horse is also in need of the supplement to get her sweating correctly, you see she is showing two different symptoms and you are in essence only treating one. Also when you treat with thyroid hormones you will by virtue of a very complex feedback mechanism slow down the body's own production of thyroid stimulating hormone and thyroid hormones. This is why if you ever take a person or horse off of thyroid supplements you must do so gradually and it may take as long as a year for the body to recover its own ability to make the missing hormones (assuming it can). It is unlikely that this horse has equine Cushing's-like disease -- I asked Ray about this for one of my horses who may be borderline Cushingoid-- which is a disease in which there is an abnormality of either the pituitary (most common in equines) or the adrenal glands (most common in humans, [see Robin I read the websites you suggested :-]). In the case of equine Cushing's, as I understand it, too much TSH (thyroid stimulating hormone) is produced which leads ultimately to thyroid exhaustion, the thyroid ceases to respond to the TSH and therefore is no longer producing sufficient thryoid hormones. The key with that disease is to slow down the pituitary's production of TSH (and other hormones) so that the thyroid can recover and produce the correct amount of thyroid hormones. What Ray told me was that Cushingoid horses are generally fine in the sweating department, they have plenty of tyrosine to convert to thyroxine and therefore his supplement won't help them. In other words a horse that is a non-sweater is unlikely to be Cushingoid because even though one symptom -- hypothyroidism -- is the same the causes of the two diseases are different. This is really a case of matching the disease cause to the treatment. As for the lymphangitis, that's a nasty disease in which the initial insulting event can be either an infection or an injury to the lymphatic vessels which are then damaged. Lymph fluid can no longer return to the central core of the body once it is pumped to the injured lymph vessels and tends to pool there. Treatment is symptomatic and results are not consistent. More research is needed, and I think it is going to have to consist of how to restore function to the injured lymph vessels, since that is what is causing the disease. In my opinion from what I've read it is not likely that the lymphangitis is related to her being anhydrotic since there don't seem to be reports showing horses with anhydrosis to be more likely to develop lymphangitis. But that doesn't mean that it can't be related, just not real likely. I don't know what to suggest about breeding her. I know I would treat both the lymphangitis and the anhydrosis as needed. I would also talk to your vet about the anhydrosis, that can be a real serious issue with pregnant mares since they have to rid themselves of both the heat of their own bodies and that of their unborn foals. For myself I would prefer to treat the anhydrosis with One AC rather than Thyro-L, One AC is specific for both anhydrosis and tyrosine-deficient hypothyroidism whereas the Thyro-L is only treating the hypothyroidism, and it's not really going about treating the cause of the disease, just the symptoms. But I'm not a vet, I suggest that you discuss it with your vet and possibly ask if he would consider calling Dr. Sarah Ralston at Rutgers University to discuss the issue with her, she's the top equine nutrition expert in the country IMO and very approachable (she's also an endurance rider who shows up occassionally on endurance-l and is Internet accessible). I hope this rather lengthy discussion is somewhat helpful. Tracy Scheinkman Misty Mountain Arabian Sport Horses Tucson, AZ http://hometown.aol.com/Arabs4sprt/Arabs4sprt.html |
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