Feeding Powdered Vitamin E
My 3 horses are all kept in a partially covered corral together. They are all from the same ranch in the west and related. I lost one from this same ranch due to possible complications from IR and laminitis about 6 years ago.
My 8 yr-old Tennessee Walking Horse mare, Prize, his half sister, was diagnosed as being IR in early February. I've been trying to follow my veterinarian's advice and combining it with what I have learned from this group.
All of them are having their Bermuda hay soaked and fed in slow feeder nets. I still have a lot of alfalfa, so am feeding about 10 lbs. per day to the three of them along with the 40 lbs. of Bermuda. I sent the hay samples to the Equi-Analysis today. Prize seems to be improving. Next blood test is mid-April.
I have been giving all 3 horses vitamin E in the powdered form for equines because one of them had been diagnosed with a 50% chance of EPM and his blood test showed zero Vitamin E in his system. He has recovered from the EPM and is sound. I've been adding a little corn oil to their daily supplements to help with the E absorption. My veterinarian advised giving no oil to Prize. Am I wasting my money feeding the Vitamin E in powdered form? Is it ok to add a couple of teaspoons to their supplements to mix with the E?
Sara Goodnick Arizona, 2016 chttps://ch.ecirhorse.org/case-history.php?id=49
Hello Sara and welcome! We're very sorry to hear about your horse. And a huge thank you for getting your case history started, it really helps. Could you pass on what Prize's test results were? And the reference ranges would be very helpful.
I do have a few things I would like to mention that I saw regarding her diet.
I know you weren’t asking about feed, but I want to point out that Nutrena Special care is not on our approved safe feeds list. Most feed other than what’s on our list is too high in starch and sugar and (usually) too much fat for a metabolic horse, I would discontinue that right away. One of our members analyzed this product and at that time it tested over 18% sugar and starch alone! Most feed manufacturers don’t test each batch so it could be way more or less every time you feed it. I will include the safe feeds list link below, but it’s also included in your message.
Safe Bagged Feeds.pdf (groups.io)
Also, it would make better sense on your pocketbook to have your hay analyzed and balance to that accordingly, PP is a very expensive supplement that usually doesn’t have enough of any one mineral to do any good. You would save a lot of money by supplementing what your hay is lacking and feeding what you actually need. I would for sure put your horses on the emergency diet until you can have it balanced. If you haven't already be sure to get the 603 Trainer from EA, we need to have wet chemistry.
HAY BALANCING (groups.io
You are smart to phase out the alfalfa, a lot of horses get foot sore on it, and it can be hard to balance as well, having high protein and calcium.
We also have NOT found that insulin wise actually works, I think it comes with a money-back guarantee if it doesn’t work for you, as a group we have not had much success with it.
Review of InsulinWise Study.pdf (groups.io)
Now on to your question regarding vitamin e.
Vitamin E in oil (500 IU per 250 lb of body weight) to replace ingredients lost when the grass is cured into hay.
Many of us use Coca-soya from Uckele to activate the powder but you can also buy the liquid form, sometimes you need to shop around to get most bang for your buck. You can get human caps from your local store or order online. Coca-soya is safe in small amounts. You also need to feed flax and salt. More details are in the diet section.
Dr. Kellon does not recommend feeding corn oil, you can read this here.
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Utah, Nov 2018
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1-2 tsp/horse of any type of oil to mix with vit E powder is ok. You really don't need much. I avoid olive oil because of the strong taste. I mix it into the powder before adding to the dish so that the powder is suspended in, and coated with, the oil. If you have a horse that tested at zero vitamin E, you might want to increase their dose dramatically. I'm not sure by how much, but perhaps Cass or Dr Kellon can jump in. Cass had a similar experience where one of her horses was quite low in vitamin E despite regular supplementation.
Kirsten and Shaku (EMS + PPID) and Snickers (EMS) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
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I’m interested in seeing copies of your lab work showing zero Vitamin E. I have given Vitamin E powder mixed directly into a few teaspoons of oil for more than 10 years. Powdered Vitamin E is NOT a waste of money unless you’re not mixing it with oil before adding it to supplements, as Kirsten explained. My horses have no objection to olive oil.
One of my mares with suspected neurological issues didn’t respond to increased Vitamin E supplementation the way my other horse did. I switched her to micellized Vitamin E, specifically Emcelle Vitamin E. https://www.qcsupply.com/emcelle-tocopherol-vitamine-liquid-1liter.html
After a few month of 2 teaspoons Emcelle/day, her Vitamin E levels reached well into the mid- to high reference range. That had the unexpected effect of greatly reducing one of her neurological issues, head-shaking. I should point out we have no evidence increased powdered Vitamin E wouldn’t do the same but might take longer. I was impatient and saw an unexpected benefit, so I’ve continued to use Emcelle with that horse while the other continues with powdered Vitamin E in oil.
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