Hind Gut issues Prascend??


Mialisa@...
 

I just noticed Isaac has fecal water as his tail started getting dirty. I have noticed hind gut issues with Joshua, but not Isaac ever. Has anyone else ever noticed a problem with loose stools or stomach upset from Prascend?
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Rene` in WI 2021
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Angie
 

I'm afraid my horse has had very soft stools for over a year now. Started a year after starting the Prascend so I don't know if it's related.  We have tried everything with no luck in resolving it.
It is his only symptom though. He's holding weight, no colic signs, good energy, happy, etc. 
I would put your horse on a 6 week course of psyllium regardless. Not only may clear out sand but it also acts like a prebiotic when given that long. That's where we started and my vet said that sometimes solves the problem.

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Mialisa@...
 

Thanks Angie, your issue really does not seem related to Prascend.

Maybe my ponies have sensitive systems because of past use of bute and equioxx (they have not had any since 2018). This may have caused an imbalance. It took me a while to figure out why Isaac was not eating his supplements for 2 weeks recently. Since they can't tell me I have theories. I use Gut Health or Slippery Elm Bark powder when I start seeing fecal water on Joshua. Isaac has come around with Slippery Elm Bark powder this time until the Gut Health got here. Basic Equine claims that the Gut Health helps to restore the pH balance in the hind gut and it has worked for Joshua in the past. I had ordered it for Joshua but now looks like I will be giving it to both ponies. High hopes. Have a great day!
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Rene` in WI 2021
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Hi, Rene.
There are other digestive issues to sort through before assuming Prascend is the cause. Read about free fecal water syndrome here: https://drkhorsesense.wordpress.com/2020/10/16/free-fecal-water-syndrome/ 

Take a look and sort through possible causes. Make sure you're convinced it's FFW and not diarrhea. Some of the same approaches work with both but there are other considerations with diarrhea. 

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Hi Renè,
I have a pony which has issues with fecal water syndrome.  It seems to be totally diet related for him and I suspect most horses.  Being a PPID guy and older, he doesn’t have the chewing force which other horses have.  When I switched most of his hay to timothy balance cubes, the FWS resolved and I have less trouble keeping weight on him.

Did you cut his Prascend back thinking that was the cause?  You’re working with a very small dose of pergolide and, with the rise upon us now, I would not be reducing the dose.
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Mialisa@...
 

Hi Martha,
I cut back on the Prascend when Isaac stopped eating his supplements (very unusual for him), and acting (may sound weird) like he was asking for help because 'I don't feel good'. Isaac was on 1/2 tab of Prascend for about 10 days before I switched him back to 1/4 tab, because his behavior did not return to normal from the time I increased the Prascend to 1/2 tab and even still since switching back to the 1/4 tab (now 30 days). I believe I am on the right road with seeing the fecal water indicating that he had an upset in his system and now treating for stomach and hind gut issues. He is seeming to be more like himself and starting to eat the supplements. That is still a work in progress. We received the Stabul 1 samples from Anderson Feeds and started this morning. He almost ate everything.

Even though he is older he doesn't have problems chewing and his teeth were checked this spring. All good there!

I realize that we have concerns about the seasonal rise. This is actually our first time out of the gate with Prascend. I know everyone keeps pointing at his high insulin numbers and becoming fearful that he is about to have the laminitic event that will tip us over the edge. Isaac has never really had laminitis and we have been through many seasonal rises with out incident. BUT I am well aware that this is still affecting him negatively, and he just shows symptoms differently. Isaac is quite the hardy little pony. It may not seem like it, but I am very cautious and careful with his and Joshua's care.

Today both ponies enjoyed a walk around the property being ponied from my horse Dalton. It was not very long, maybe 15 mins. each, but they enjoy getting out of the pen and looking at something different.

I appreciate everything everyone does here to help. Gosh! I cannot say Thank you enough.
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