Nicklas <samarrii@...>


I'm new to the list too.

Located in Western PA, I have a small Exmoor-type pony gelding, 10.2 hh who
is somewhere in his mid-20's. For the last few years he has not been
shedding out as nicely as he usually did Now, this spring, I've noticed an
increase in urine output, altho he has shed out better than in the previous
year. Otherwise, he is his normal, active and feisty self. His job is to
be companion to a 3 yr old stallion and he manages it very well LOL.

When possible, I use all natural health care products and treatments on our
horses. I recall some time ago having read of a natural supplement for
early Cushoid horses, but have of course since forgotten what it may have
been or where I saw it.

So far, I haven't been able to access the main site for this list, but I'll
keep checking in, or maybe try from the library so I can read the overall

Suggestions and information are greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Sharon Nicklas
Andaluz del Gavilon


For whatever the information is worth... My Cushinoid mare, Tina
(Night Flight) is now 29 years old, diagnosed with Cushings
symptomatically (wouldn't ovulate & didn't shed out) about 5 years
ago. I've been treating her symptoms with thyrol-l quite well,
although I did try cypro about 4 years ago & it seemed effective for
about 6 months, then no longer seemed to work.

Anyhow, I spoke to a vet at BET labs today, just for grins and got
some quite interesting information. They recommend that you do NOT
do a dex supression test. I'm not sure if they feel its not as
effective, or if they feel that it may incite a bout of laminitis,
but anyhow here's what they recommend:

You get a couple of redtop tubes to draw blood, pull blood BEFORE
being fed any grain in the AM, feed breakfast, then draw blood again
8 to 10 hours later, again PRIOR to feeding dinner grain. The sera
needs to be separated, either by your vet or you can simply put the
tubes in the fridge on their side overnight then decant the sera into
some small tubes. OR you can overnight the whole blood to them with
a cold pack. Then they test the sera for T4, Cortisol, and Insulin.
Total testing cost is $75, including results and recommendations for

Depending on the insulin levels (oh, shoot, or was it the cortisol
levels? I'm sorry!), anyhow they feel they can determine if cypro is
likely to be effective or not, as compared to pergolide. So you
don't have to go the trial and error method. Then they recommend
periodic testing after beginning the recommended treatment to see how
the horse is responding. They indicated that about 75 to 80% of
mares WILL begin ovulating with the recommended treatment and follow-
ups to adjust levels as necessary (ie. successful response to

They thought that I might have some hope of actually getting her to
ovulate again to try embryo transplant, even tho she's 29!

Note: I am NOT recommending this lab over any others, I don't know
what others do or suggest, but am simply passing along information
that I was able to get for whatever it is worth to all of you...

Also: Welcome to our new members and I hope you'll take a few
minutes to introduce yourselves and your horses to us, we're glad to
have all the input we can get from others dealing with Cushings!

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Kay Howitt <akkray@...>

Hello and welcome, Sharon...I have a 22 yr old Cushinoid Appendix QH gelding
who was diagnosed a year ago, although he had symptoms for the previous 2
years. It seems that horses vary in their symptoms, as my guy never has drunk
or urinated excessively, but had slow healing, an irregular hair coat and

I would just keep a watch on your pony and monitor his drinking/urinating as
you've been doing. In my opinion, it is wise to have a Cushing's test done if
there's any question of a horse having the condition. The earlier a diagnosis
is made the quicker a horse can receive treatment. I wish I had known of my
horse's Cushing's much earlier and before he suffered his first, second and now
third bouts of laminitis. The outlook is not good for my sweet horse, although
I believe the medication he has been getting this past year has helped
tremendously. The Cushing's seems controlled, but the past damage to his feet
is long-lasting and perhaps will lead to his euthanasia.

Domino was tested with the dexamethazone suppression method. Opinions vary
among owners about this test, but I believe it is the most accurate one.

I hope your lovely pony does not have Cushing''s a tough one to treat.
Good luck! Kay in AK