Jiaogulan


hildekittelsen@...
 

Hi.

When should you use Jiaogulan? My pony is feeling better and do not have any acute laminites, but had very low energy and was a bit off.
She also have cushings. She has had winterlaminites the two last winters and i wanted to try jiaogulan so i could prevent that this winter.

But is it wrong to start now?

I swear to god after 4 days on jiaogulan she runs around and seems verry happy.
She hasnt run for months. She has energy and she is just like she was years ago.

Could this herb do this?
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Hilde
Norway
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273158


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes, the herb can do that, and does do that, so you have your answer. Enjoy! You also need to make sure her PPID is controlled and you keep her feet and legs warm in the cold.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


hildekittelsen@...
 

Thats great!She is a different pony!Hope it lasts!
She is on a half Prascend and we will test her levels again this week.

I will keep her warm in Winter:)
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Hilde
Norway
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273158


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Jiaogulan can truly be a wonder herb. I'm delighted every time we get a report like this.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


hildekittelsen@...
 

I’m so happy!Did not expect this:)


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Hilde
Norway
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273158


Lesley Bludworth
 

That sounds wonderful!
I just received Gynostemma extract from Bulk Supplements.  
What is it supposed to smell and taste like? 
The package i got has a brown powder that seems like tea powder.
Not much taste, maybe like strong tea, no real smell. Like tannins or something.
Not offensive to me at all dry or in water.


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I’m so happy!Did not expect this:)


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Hilde
Norway
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273158

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Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Lesley,

I only have experience with the whole herb, not extracts. That is green, smells like sweet hay, and is well accepted.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Lesley Bludworth
 

Dr Kellon,
Is that the way it comes from Uckele?


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Lesley,

I only have experience with the whole herb, not extracts. That is green, smells like sweet hay, and is well accepted.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


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Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


hildekittelsen@...
 

I get mine from forageplus and this is not powder.
My pony likes the taste😊
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Hilde
Norway
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273158


hmfox77@...
 

Lesley,
It's so funny that you asked this because I was just about to pose the same question to the group! My first batch of Jiaogulan was from My Best Horse and it was bright green and smelled like fresh cut grass.  I just received a new batch from Bulk Supplements and it is brown and smells like tea. The Bulk Supplements package says that it is leaves and stems, so I'm wondering if maybe the green powder is only leaves.  Either way, my horse seems to enjoy it. I've never seen it suggested as a taste-tempter, but that's how I use it.
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Heather F
Minnesota
June 2020

Case History
Photo Album


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

You definitely only want leaves for the active components.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Lesley Bludworth
 

Huh. I am going to get the whole plant product, since this is an the extract. 
I suspect any studies done have been with the whole plant?
I thought I read horses would go off feed if given this herb to much too fast. I assumed it had a strong flavor. I will do a taste test when it arrives from Uckele :)

On Jul 26, 2022 6:17 AM, "Eleanor Kellon, VMD" <drkellon@...> wrote:
You definitely only want leaves for the active components.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


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Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Maxine McArthur
 

I love the smell of jiaogulan in the morning. 

(I’ve been wanting to write that for years, lol)

None of my horses have ever objected to jiaogulan sprinkled on top of their feed or as a paste in a bit of water. It’s such a small amount needed to be effective that I wouldn’t imagine you could feed ‘too much’. 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Lesley,

What do you mean by "whole plant". Studies are with extracts from the leaf. I have never heard of horses going off feed from Jiaogulan. They love the taste.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


terrieheining
 

Hi Maxine
Where do you get your J herb from please? I have bought it from 2 different places in Australia, and both have been brown powder and smell a bit like tea.
Thanks

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Terrie H in Australia 2021
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terrie%20and%20Dixie  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268416  




Maxine McArthur
 

Hi Terrie
i usually get it from Zoe at Missys Bucket. 

 

https://www.missysbucket.com.au/collections/horse-supplement/products/jiao-gu-lan


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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Frances C
 

Got mine from Bulksupplements too. Same thing, brown and not appreciated by my equine friends. So what should I look for? Leaf parts only and or leaf parts extract? Must be green and smell like hay?
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Lesley Bludworth
 

When Dr. Kellon said what her experience is she should
Smelled like hay and sounded like loose leaf.  What I ordered is the extract and it smells nothing like hay and tastes like tea extract. I'll compare the 2 when the Uckele bag comes
I ordered it from Uckele and 


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Got mine from Bulksupplements too. Same thing, brown and not appreciated by my equine friends. So what should I look for? Leaf parts only and or leaf parts extract? Must be green and smell like hay?
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


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Lesley Bludworth 
Phoenix, AZ
Sophie Case History 7/2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/SophieB%20Case%20History


Cecile Johnson
 

I ordered Laminox from Uckele and it was brownish color and smelled like tea.  I opted for Laminox so maybe that’s why it’s brown in color.  
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Cecile J in OK 2022
Olaf Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cecile%20and%20Olaf
Olaf Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=272407