Jiaogulan - Is it needed and what is the significance of feeding 20 mins before other feed?
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How important is it to feed the J-herb 20 minutes prior to feeding the horse? All of my horses have 24/7 access to forage so when I feed them their supplements in the morning and evening, I have no idea how long it's been since they last ate. While completely anecdotal, I have been giving j-herb 2x/day to my IR and navicular horses, in their supplements. I changed nothing other than to add the j-herb and my IR mustang’s feet went from being flat to finally having built great concavity. This was in about a 5-6 week period, with horrible ground conditions varying between 8” of poopy mud to frozen, rutty ground, causing the horses to move as little as possible. My trimmer has been working to get her feet “right” since the end of May. Her feet were flat in December. By the end of January, concave. My questions stem from two of the documents in the Files section on jiaogulan. My previous version of this post included links to the two specific docs but my computer did something and changed the URL’s, so I have removed them with this edit. |
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Hi, Carolyn. Jiaogulan and some other supplements are fed on an empty stomach to optimize absorption. The initial dose is tiny compared to the volume inside the equine digestive tract. So feeding J herb 1 1/2 to 2 hours before hay is simply efficient. If not fed on an empty-ish stomach, then you need to feed more. Jiaogulan is dosed to effect. Individual horses require different amounts to see effects, and it isn’t straightline give-more-by-weight. My little buckskin TWH requires a teaspoon more than my Paint who weighs 100-125 lbs more. Check gums 1 1/2 to 2 hrs after feeding to see if the dose is sufficient. I am using Jiaogulan for winter laminitis prophylaxis. I can’t wait to stop it. My horses are trimmed every 4 weeks and I need to maintain the trim twice in 4 weeks for both hoof wall growth and runaway toes. — |
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Thanks, Cass. That is helpful information.
I recently listened to Dr. Bowker on The Humble Hoof podcast and he talked about trimming behind the white line. Definitely a new/different concept and we are intending to rasp our horses toes a tiny bit in between their 4 week trim cycle, so that eventually we'll have their toes back to where Dr. Bowker thinks they should be. While my husband, trimmer and I all feel their toes are short, I think Dr. Bowker would probably disagree. So, it's good to know that the J-herb can put toe growth into hyperdrive. I tried feeding 1/2 tsp of the j-herb by hand in some CryptoAero Wild Forage to each of the four horses I'm giving it to and none cared for it. I think three ate it very reluctantly. My mustang - the one we've been trying to get concavity in her feet - took one sniff and literally took off running LOL I have some samples of the Stabul 1 now though so I'll try again tomorrow morning, about an hour before feeding supplements. It might be tricky to get to see the mustang's gums first, but I'll try. it may also be the type of j-herb I'm feeding that is off-putting. Hard to say since some of my horses are so finicky. I appreciate the additional insight you provided. Thank you! -- Carolyn L in UT 2022 Case History: CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Case History Photo Album: CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Photo Album |
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Don’t give up. Jherb is very palatable, and your mustang mare is just the kind of challenge I like. I’ve been trained by masters. I feed Jiaogulan on less than ¼ cup Stabul1 with a teaspoon of water or oil to make it stick. I used a drop of water for years. Once I started with oil because of a second supplement that needed oil instead of water, the other mare decided she would no longer eat Jherb dampened with water and needed oil too. I use either olive oil or Uckele CocoSoya Oil from TSC. Let the mustang mare watch the others enjoying Jherb on Stabul1 and don’t offer her any. Or make a paste with a little oil and let the others lick it up. She’ll know exactly what they are enjoying within the week. -- |
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Just wanted to 2nd Cass' suggestion of using some oil w/ the Jherb. Cocosoya in particular appears to be verrrrrrrry tasty to all creatures great and small. As soon as I started using that with my horse, we got a fox friend who comes every night and cleans up the rock I feed my horse on (game cameras are AWESOME), so everybody loves the Cocosoya. ;)
-- Joy and Willie (EC/IR) Nevada County, CA - 2019 ECIR Group Moderator Case history: Willie's Case History Willie's photo album: Willie's Photos |
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JUDITH S. SCHNEIDER
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In the above post, you mentioned to placing Jherb on Stabul1 - what is Stabul1? Thank you, -- Judy Schneider |
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Hi Judy. Stabul1 is a safe bagged feed used in small quantities. It’s available for home delivery from Chewy.com. https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/5%20Core%20Diet/2.%20Safe%20Feeds/Safe%20Bagged%20Feeds.pdf
-- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos |
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