Mare diagnosed with EMS/IR
April 12, 2022 my mare was diagnosed EMS/IR after a series of events and sudden onset of laminitis. since then I have been struggling to get her stable. I’ve learnt a lot and learning more but really need help. I’ve not done a case history yet but will give a brief rundown of what I’ve done/doing with hopes of getting some help. Jamie 22 yr old mare. Owned since birth, first 10 yrs was spent showing western pleasure then started breeding her. Easy breeder, foaling, never had to force cycling always caught first AI. 6 foal and her last was 2020. Attempted one more breeding here in March 2022 cycled normal, follicle presented, AI’d checked next day for ovulation and was going to AI again but she retained fluid so vet flushed her put her out in pasture turnout for a couple hours after administering oxytocin to flush remaining fluids Lisa M Lavoie
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Sherry Morse
Hello Lisa, Welcome to the group! You have a positive diagnosis of IR with that insulin result and a reason for the active laminitis as we've found that most horses with an insulin level above 80 will be actively laminitic. To counteract that you need to eliminate the cause of the laminitis which usually means a change in diet and possibly trim as well. Our philosophy is DDTE (Diagnosis - which you already have, Diet - which you're making changes to but there may be more you can do, Trim - more on that in the long welcome letter below, and exercise - which we do not recommend with an actively laminitic horse). To address where you are right now: Postive IR diagnosis, low thryoid not a surprise as it's common in IR horses and should come back to normal range as the IR is brought under control. Your mare doesn't test as PPID and unless she has some obvious symptoms I would not recommend continuing with Prascend. There is a possibility she's early PPID but the best way to determine that would be to do a TRH Stim test without her being on Prascend. It sounds like you've stopped all NSAIDs, is that correct? They won't help with laminitis caused by IR so no good reason to continue on any of them after the first week. It sounds like her current diet is just 15lbs of hay a day. Is that correct? If she is not overweight she should be eating 21.14lbs a day (hay and any supplements) although you can tweak that if she gains weight on that amount. We do not recommend feeding less than 1.5% of body weight per day - which would be 15.85lbs per day for your girl - as that can cause other issues. The hay should be soaked for 30 minutes in hot water or an hour in cold water. Trim - pictures would be very helpful as well as copies of x-rays. Information on setting up your case history has already been sent to you and that would include a photo album with the trim pictures, x-rays and body condition pictures. Exercise - DO NOT force a horse with laminitis to move. You can put her in a small pen outside to encourage movement if she wants to do something on her own but until you have her insulin under control and her trim in order do not force her to move as this can create more pain for her. It's hard to say if your hand walking caused problems for her but definitely wait to do that until she's feeling better. With all that said, what follows is our very long welcome letter so get comfortable and be prepared to have more questions once you've read it. Your in the right place to get help for your girl. The ECIR Group provides the best, most up to date information on Cushing's (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). Please explore our website where you'll find tons of great information that will help you to quickly understand the main things you need to know to start helping your horse. Also open any of the links below (in blue font) for more information/instructions that will save you time. Have you started your Case History? If you haven't done so yet, please join our case history sub-group. We appreciate you following the uploading instructions so your folder is properly set up with the documents inside. Go to this CH message with info on how to use various devices and forms. If you have any trouble, just post a message to let us know where you are stuck. Orienting information, such as how the different ECIR sections relate to each other, message etiquette, what goes where and many how-to pages are in the Wiki. There is also an FAQs on our website that will help answer the most common and important questions new members have. Below is a general summary of our DDT/E philosophy which is short for Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.
DIAGNOSIS: There are two conditions dealt with here: Cushings (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). These are two separate issues that share some overlapping symptoms. An equine may be either PPID or EMS/IR, neither or both. While increasing age is the greatest risk factor for developing PPID, IR can appear at any age and may have a genetic component. Blood work is used for diagnosis as well as monitoring the level of control of each. PPID is diagnosed using the Endogenous ACTH test, while EMS/IR is diagnosed by testing non-fasting insulin and glucose. The fat-derived hormone leptin is also usually abnormally elevated in insulin resistance but because there are many other things which can lower or increase leptin ECIR is not recommending routine testing for this hormone. Leptin is the hormone that says "stop eating". In Europe, adiponectin is tested instead of leptin. Adiponectin helps regulate glucose and fat burning, and maintain insulin sensitivity. Low levels are associated with EMS. It has come to be preferred over leptin because it is not influenced by things like weight or exercise, and also because it was the only factor other than insulin levels that predicted laminitis risk *Before calling your vet to draw blood for tests, we suggest saving time and wasted money by reading these details and then sharing them with your vet so that everyone is on the same page regarding correct testing and protocols. *Please remember to request copies of the results of all the tests done rather than just relying on verbal information. Your vet should be able to email these to you. If you have previous test results, please include those as well. All should go in your CH, but if you are having any trouble with the CH, just post in the messages for now. Treatment: EMS is a metabolic type - not a disease - that is managed with a low sugar+starch diet and exercise (as able). The super-efficient easy keeper type breeds such as minis, ponies, Morgans, Arabs, Rockies are some of the classic examples. PPID is a progressive disease that is treated with the medication pergolide. Some, but not all, individuals may experience a temporary loss of appetite, lethargy and/or depression when first starting the medication. To avoid this "pergolide veil" (scroll down for side effects), we recommend weaning onto the drug slowly and the use of the product APF. The best long term results are seen when the ACTH is maintained in the middle of the normal range at all times, including during the annual seasonal rise. To accomplish this, the amount of medication may need to increase over time. Neither condition is ever "cured", only properly controlled for the remainder of the equine's life. If your partner is both PPID and IR then both medication and diet management will be needed. DIET: Almost all commercial feeds are not suitable - no matter what it says on the bag. Please see the International Safe Feeds List for the safest suggestions. No hay is "safe" until proven so by chemical analysis. The diet that works for IR is:
We use grass hay, tested to be under 10% ESC + starch, with minerals added to balance the excesses and deficiencies in the hay, plus salt, and to replace the fragile ingredients that are lost when grass is cured into hay, we add ground flax seed and Vitamin E. This diet is crucial for an EMS/IR horse, but also supports the delicate immune system of a PPID horse. *Until you can get your hay tested and balanced we recommend that you soak your hay and use the emergency diet (scroll down for it). The emergency diet is not intended for long term use, but addresses some of the most common major deficiencies. Testing your hay and getting the minerals balanced to its excesses and deficiencies is the best way to feed any equine (look under the Hay Balancing file if you want professional help balancing). If you absolutely cannot test your hay and balance the minerals to it, or would like to use a "stop gap" product until you get your hay balanced, here's a list of "acceptable" ration balancers. There is a lot of helpful information in the start here folder so it is important you read all the documents found there. The emergency diet involves soaking your untested hay for an hour in cold water or 30 minutes in hot water. This removes up to 30% of the sugar content, but no starch. Starch is worse than sugar since it converts 100% to glucose while sugar only converts 50%, so starch causes a bigger insulin spike. Make sure you dump the soaking water where the equine(s) can't get to it. What you don't feed on the EMS/IR diet is every bit as, if not more important than, what you do feed! No grass. No grain. No sugary treats, including apples and carrots. No brown/red salt blocks which contain iron (and sometimes molasses) which interferes with mineral balancing, so white salt blocks only. No products containing molasses. No bagged feeds with a combined sugar and starch of over 10% or starch over about 4%, or fat over about 4%. Unfortunately, even bagged feeds that say they are designed for IR and/or PPID equines are usually too high in sugar, starch and/or fat. It’s really important to know the actual analysis and not be fooled by a name that says it is suitable for EMS/IR individuals. We do not recommend feeding alfalfa hay to EMS/IR equines as it makes many of them laminitic. Although it tends to be low in sugar, many times the starch is higher and does not soak out. Additionally, protein and calcium are quite high, which can contribute to sore footedness and make mineral balancing very difficult. TRIM: A proper trim is toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof capsule closely hugs and supports the internal structures of the foot. Though important for all equines, it's essential for IR and/or PPID equines to have a proper trim in place since they are at increased risk for laminitis. After any potential triggers are removed from the diet, and in PPID individuals, the ACTH is under control, the realigning trim is often the missing link in getting a laminitic equine comfortable. In general, laminitic hooves require more frequent trim adjustments to maintain the proper alignment so we recommend the use of padded boots rather than fixed appliances (i.e. shoes, clogs), at least during the initial phases of treatment. Sometimes subclinical laminitis can be misdiagnosed as arthritis, navicular, or a host of other problems as the animal attempts to compensate for sore feet. You are encouraged to make an album and post hoof pictures and any radiographs you might have so we can to look to see if you have an optimal trim in place. Read this section of the wiki for how to get a hoof evaluation, what photos are needed, and how to get the best hoof shots and radiographs. EXERCISE: The best IR buster there is, but only if the equine is comfortable and non-laminitic. An individual that has had laminitis needs 6-9 months of correct realigning trims before any serious exercise can begin. Once the equine is moving around comfortably at liberty, hand walking can begin in long straight lines with no tight turns. Do not force a laminitic individual to move, or allow its other companions to do so. It will begin to move once the pain begins to subside. Resting its fragile feet is needed for healing to take place so if the animal wants to lay down, do not encourage it to get up. Place feed and water where it can be reached easily without having to move any more than necessary. Be extremely careful about movement while using NSAIDs (bute, banamine, previcox, etc.) as it masks pain and encourages more movement than these fragile feet are actually able to withstand. Additionally, NSAIDs (and icing) do not work on metabolic laminitis and long term NSAID use interferes with healing. Therefore, we recommend tapering off NSAIDs after the first week or so of use. If after a week's time your equine's comfort level has not increased, then the cause of the laminitis has not been removed and keeping up the NSAIDs isn't the answer - you need to address the underlying cause.
There is lots more information in our files and archived messages and also on our website. It is a lot of information, so take some time to go over it and feel free to ask any questions. If you are feeling overwhelmed, don't worry, you will catch on, and we are always here to help you! Once you have your case history uploaded, we can help you help your equine partner even better. If you have any technical difficulties, please let us know so we can help you.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Thank you Sherry for your prompt response. So appreciated. In answer to your questions: yes her diet is of soaked orchard hay at 15 lbs divided up throughout the day and fed in hay nets. She gets 1/4 lb triple crown lite ( I saw where it is not a recommended product but was the only thing I could find) as carrier for her DAC E & Se supplement, equinity (amino acids) and previcox 1/4 tab nightly. I have order Stabil 1 to replace TC lite. I have sourced Teff grass hay as well as Triple Crown Balance Timothy cubes. Trim was done April 22, day after X-rays so farrier had them to view. We had to skip Jamie’s March scheduled 6 wk trim due to the severity of the laminitis. She is scheduled for May 20 th for next trim. Otherwise she has been on a 6 wk schedule all her life, 6 month dental care, worming every 6 weeks ( at trim dates) seasonal vaccinations, chiropractic care. I am glad to hear I can discontinue prascend. She’s only had two doses at 1 mg per dose. Yes I discontinued NSAID and started the previcox per Dr recommendation. I also started her on Devils Claw two days ago. when I did my CH I could did copy my URL https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=27505 As far as exercise I had only walked her two alternating days because she was at her best to see if I could put her in her turn out of which I did. We then had a relapse so she has been stall bound again. I hope I covered enough to get my girl out of pain and on the right track. Lord knows I have been trying. And I am so thankful to have been introduced to this site. Wish i had a month ago. We’d be much further along.
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celestinefarm
On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 10:27 PM, Lisa wrote:
Yes I discontinued NSAID and started the previcox per Dr recommendation. I also started her on Devils Claw two days ago.Lisa, one of the mods or Dr. Kellon will explain this further, but Previcox is an NSAID. It is a different type than Bute or Banamine but it is in the same class. It is designed for dogs, there is an equine paste and tablet version called Equioxx. I would not add any additional NSAIDs including bute, banamine, and I wouldn't start Devil's Claw right now until your horse has had a chance to clear the Previcox if you decide to discontinue. Use of multiple NSAIDs ( Devils' Claw is not , but can be irritating in some horse's gastro system) can lead to right dorsal colitis and severe stomach ulcers. From the Previcox website: As a class, cyclooxygenase inhibitory NSAIDs may be associated with gastrointestinal, kidney or liver side effects. These are usually mild, but may be serious. Pet owners should discontinue therapy and contact their veterinarian immediately if side effects occur. Evaluation for pre-existing conditions and regular monitoring are recommended for pets on any medication, including PREVICOX. Use with other NSAIDs, corticosteroids or nephrotoxic medication should be avoided. Refer to the prescribing information for complete details. From the Equioxx website: EQUIOXX is a COXIB class non-steroidal anti-inflammatory for horses that helps to manage the roller-coaster effect of pain and pain relief that can occur with other products which might require multiple daily dosing.
EQUIOXX is available in two formulations: paste and tablet. EQUIOXX tablets are small and palatable enough to be hand-fed with or without feed. EQUIOXX paste provides more accurate dosing by weight for smaller horses or competition horses subject to testing.
As with any prescription medication, prior to use, a veterinarian should perform a physical examination and review the horse’s medical history. A veterinarian should advise horse owners to observe for signs of potential drug toxicity. Use with other NSAIDs, corticosteroids or nephrotoxic medication should be avoided. -- Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary Saline, MI 2003 Tipperary Case History
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Sherry Morse
Hi Lisa,
Previcoxx is a NSAID and should be discontinued. Dawn's already outlined that and there is information in our files on switching from NSAIDs to Devil's claw. You do not want to administer them together. -- Thanks, PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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OMG. Doing what is recommended by my vet and still not appropriate for my girls situation. I have discontinued any and all NSAIDS Pergolide devils claw and have just sourced Triple Crown Balance Timothy Cubes to start her on until I can test my hay or source tested hay. my question now is introducing her to the cubes. I need to transition from my soaked hay to them? I do not need anything else to tip her over further. And with these cubes do I need to add iodized salt, Vit E Magnesium and flax seed? I do have Stabil 1 being delivered today as carrier slow to get up but does have an appetite. She’s just so uncomfortable 💔
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Sherry Morse
Hi Lisa, You can use Devil's Claw without an issue. Please read these 2 articles about weaning off NSAIDs and changing to Devil's Claw: If you could complete/post a case history that would be helpful as would be pictures taken post trim. Please see https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1482#Photos-and-Hoof-Evaluation-Help for information on taking and labeling pictures. If you're using the Balance Cubes please remember they're fed at a 3:4 ratio to hay. You do need to add salt, Vitamin E and flax but no magnesium as they are mineral balanced to themselves.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Sherry
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Sherry Morse
Hi Lisa, There is no case history file nor folder for you and Jamie. You need to create a folder in the file section of the case history site (https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files) and then add the file to it and update your signature so we can access it.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Sherry,
Thank you for you assistance, I have completed the steps, regarding the Case History file. You should be able to review in my folder. Thanks, -- Lisa M Lavoie May 2022, Anderson CA Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lisa%20and%20Jamie Jamie's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275057
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Sherry Morse
Thanks Lisa! So a couple of things jump out at me. Assuming the pictures you posted of Jamie are current she's not thin. I would say she's at a good weight now and you would not want to see her put much - if any - weight back on. So if she's taping at 1025 that's a better weight to aim for than 1060. You can have a look at the BCS score file for more info on how we judge that but for an IR/PPID horse we prefer to see them about a 4.5 to 5 in condition and she's firmly a 5 to me based on those pictures. (https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Case%20History%20Tools/Tools%20and%20How-To%20Help/Body%20Condition%20Scoring%20Guide.pdf) With that being said you should hopefully see an improvement with her comfort level as she's on the Timothy Balance cubes. You do want to make sure she doesn't gain weight on them as they are more calorie dense than hay so you may need to adjust the amount fed down (or up) depending on how she does with them. I would suggest planning on retesting her insulin within 3 weeks of the diet change and have a TRH stim test done at that time for her ACTH as she may well be early PPID and that could be contributing to her elevated insulin. If that comes back with a positive result she would need to be on Prascend but you can put her on APF (that's covered in the welcome letter) before starting it and titrate her up to the full dose as you already know she'll have a veil effect if given a full dose right away. IF she's not showing improved comfort with the diet change she'd be a candidate for metformin but I'd want to check her ACTH first as she's a QH and when they present with IR it's usually due to PPID. Oh, one last thing - if you want assistance on her trim please post a note for Lavinia with a title of "Lavinia, markups needed" and make sure you have all the photos and views requested here: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1482#Photos-and-Hoof-Evaluation-Help in her photo album.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Thank you Sherry I will request blood work in the recommended time frame. My concern at this point it’s getting to the 3week point. What is your experience as to how long before seeing improvements once on approved diet? She is so unstable on her hind quarters at this time and I am not certain my farrier is even going to be able to get her trimmed on Friday. And I know how crucial this is for healing. Also, I have not yet put her on devils claw because I’m so afraid of any change that will exacerbate her condition.
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Sherry Morse
Unless I missed something you just started switching her to the cubes 3 days ago, isn't that right? I wouldn't hesitate to get her started on the DC to help with her comfort level. As far as trimming you can trim without picking her feet up if you can put her feet up on a block of wood or put her in soft ground that will allow some give as she's trimmed from above (which most likely is all that should be happening now). Doing nerve blocks will also allow trimming to take place if needed but I would try the less invasive versions first. Evidence of pain right now could be insulin, trim, diet or abscess - it's hard to say and makes things very difficult for us as the humans.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Sherry thanks for the info on way to get her trimmed. we will try that approach. and I will start DC. thank you
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