Muscle and energy questions
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2023 2:36 PM
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Contact Dr. Gustafson privately. Yes, messages to the group need your information but that will be added automatically if you have put it into your subscription. Fine to give ALCar twice a day. I would stick with the Karo but you can try
putting it in a bowl or her feed tube to lick up.
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Eleanor in PA
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Erica Busch PA 2022
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You mentioned that lately she's developed these symptoms. How long is lately? Did she have these issues during the rise? When did they start?
She looks well controlled on 1 mg and test results suggest she likely benefits from some treatment as per Dr. K.
I will take the middle road, per my experience with my mare, and suggest that you might try giving her just half a pill and see if it helps?
I think half could be enough to keep her safe and might help alleviate some musculoskeletal issues.
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Tanna
April 2019, (Yahoo Group member 2008)
Langley, BC, Canada
Pergolide doesn't cause musculoskeletal issues in the experience of thousands here but I agree she shouldn't be on it if she doesn't need it. I'm not convinced that she doesn't, hence the suggested to take her off and retest.
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Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
Thank you for the input. She is off the Prascend staring tomorrow (1/23/23) and my vet is coming in 3 weeks. I will upload blood results then.
She has been more supple and not tiring a bit less up steep hills (> 25 % grades) since using ALCAR and dosing with Caro after exercise. Her hind end muscles are like a rump roast all the time. I live in an area with some pretty steep grades. Thankfully this winter has been mild and daily exercise has been possible with long warm up and cool downs.
I’ve owned horses for over 50 years and there is something definitely wrong with the abilty of the hills with this mare. I questioned my vet over the last 10 years when I got this horse without any answers.
I thank you and everyone for this group. You are dedicated and concerned and I appreciate it much.
Erica and Windy
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 6:05:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [ECIR] Muscle and energy questions
Pergolide doesn't cause musculoskeletal issues in the experience of thousands here but I agree she shouldn't be on it if she doesn't need it. I'm not convinced that she doesn't, hence the suggested to take her off and retest.
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Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
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Erica Busch PA 2022
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Yesterday when I rode Windy up a steep hill she did not need to stop. Usually she stops 2 or 3 times and is tired at the top.
Do I continue with the ALCAR twice a day with Karo after exercise indefinitely? Is there any thing else I can do to continue her improving?
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 6:47 PM
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Thank you for the input. She is off the Prascend staring tomorrow (1/23/23) and my vet is coming in 3 weeks. I will upload blood results then.
She has been more supple and not tiring a bit less up steep hills (> 25 % grades) since using ALCAR and dosing with Caro after exercise. Her hind end muscles are like a rump roast all the time. I live in an area with some pretty steep grades. Thankfully this winter has been mild and daily exercise has been possible with long warm up and cool downs.
I’ve owned horses for over 50 years and there is something definitely wrong with the abilty of the hills with this mare. I questioned my vet over the last 10 years when I got this horse without any answers.
I thank you and everyone for this group. You are dedicated and concerned and I appreciate it much.
Erica and Windy
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 6:05:12 PM
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Tanna,
Pergolide doesn't cause musculoskeletal issues in the experience of thousands here but I agree she shouldn't be on it if she doesn't need it. I'm not convinced that she doesn't, hence the suggested to take her off and retest.
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Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
Dr Dr Kellon,
Windy was off Prascend for the past 3 weeks. Her condition has slowly declined so that by yesterday when I rode her she seemed lame, very stiff and short strided. Today she has very bad diarrhea and pulses in the hind feet. Vet came yesterday for blood test (She was very annoyed at me for taking her off the Prascend) Could 3 weeks off the medication affected her so?
Sincerely, Erica
Thanks Erica
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 2:02 PM
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That's good news! Yes, keep up what you are doing. ALCar every day; Karo only after working.
Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
Dear Dr Kellon,
In addition I just went on a easy walk trail ride and Windy was tired even going up small hills. It seemed that the one time she didn’t need to rest was just about the same time I started taking her off the Prascend. She also wanted to eat the dirt which she hasn’t wanted to do in a long time.
Sincerely Erica
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 4:37 PM
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Dr Dr Kellon,
Windy was off Prascend for the past 3 weeks. Her condition has slowly declined so that by yesterday when I rode her she seemed lame, very stiff and short strided. Today she has very bad diarrhea and pulses in the hind feet. Vet came yesterday for blood test (She was very annoyed at me for taking her off the Prascend) Could 3 weeks off the medication affected her so?
Sincerely, Erica
Thanks Erica
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From: Eleanor Kellon, VMD
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 2:02 PM
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That's good news! Yes, keep up what you are doing. ALCar every day; Karo only after working.
Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
BOGO 2 for 1 Course Sale Through End of January
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
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Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
Yes I did but thinking I went right back to 1 tablet Prascend and should I have tapered up?
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:51 PM
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Yes, it could, and I hope you started her back up as soon as the blood test was done. The diarrhea isn't necessarily related but you will find out if it is when you put her back on.
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Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
Just wondering if I need to taper up the dose of Prascend since Windy has been off Prascend for 3 weeks?
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Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 6:30 PM
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Yes I did but thinking I went right back to 1 tablet Prascend and should I have tapered up?
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From: Eleanor Kellon, VMD
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:51 PM
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Yes, it could, and I hope you started her back up as soon as the blood test was done. The diarrhea isn't necessarily related but you will find out if it is when you put her back on.
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Eleanor in PA
www.drkellon.com
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
You didn't mention if Windy experienced the pergolide veil when you started Prascend. Not knowing that, I would gradually titrate Windy's Prascend dose back up using the usual protocol suggested here: ¼ Prascend for several days, then ½ Prascend for several days, then ¾ Prascend for several days, finally 1 full Prascend.
Details in Files:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/3%20Cushings%20Disease%20-%20PPID/Cushings%20Disease%20Treatments/Pergolide/Pergolide%20101.pdf
May I ask you to stop quoting earlier posts in your replies? It makes your posts unnecessarily long while also hiding your automatic signature. Volunteers need to find your CH to answer your questions. That's the reason it's linked in your signature attached to all posts to the forum. You can specify who you're responding to by including their name in a greeting, as I did with, "Hi, Erica."
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
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Hi Cass,
Thank you for replying. She did not experience the pergolide veil when I started Prascend.
I’m sorry for how I am posting. I really don’t understand how to post. I know it has been explained but I don’t understand the explanation.
What do you mean by “quoting earlier posts” ? Why isn’t my signature after my posts?
Erica
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [ECIR] Muscle and energy questions
Hi, Erica.
You didn't mention if Windy experienced the pergolide veil when you started Prascend. Not knowing that, I would gradually titrate Windy's Prascend dose back up using the usual protocol suggested here: ¼ Prascend for several days, then ½ Prascend for several
days, then ¾ Prascend for several days, finally 1 full Prascend.
Details in Files:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/3%20Cushings%20Disease%20-%20PPID/Cushings%20Disease%20Treatments/Pergolide/Pergolide%20101.pdf
May I ask you to stop quoting earlier posts in your replies? It makes your posts unnecessarily long while also hiding your automatic signature. Volunteers need to find your CH to answer your questions. That's the reason it's linked in your signature attached
to all posts to the forum. You can specify who you're responding to by including their name in a greeting, as I did with, "Hi, Erica."
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder
Cayuse Photos
Diamond Photos
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Erica Busch PA 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Windy%20Case%20History
Hi, Erica.
On restarting pergolide, I’d still restart a bit slowly. Start with half a pill. Give it a couple of days and then increase. If Windy stops eating well or seems distracted and walks away while eating, that’s the pergolide veil. Because not eating is a serious problem, if that happens, immediately reduce the amount of pergolide as described in the link I gave.
On your messages, no apologies needed. I thought you might not know what I meant. It takes a while to figure out how this forum works!
Take a look at this thread online using your browser to see what we see. Here’s the link you can click:
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
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