Needing help with Hay Analysis
Once I'm fully logged on I need to upload an analysis on possible hay purchase.
Also I have the blood work on my coming 14 year old mare.
joined 2005 I think?
South Western PA
Hello Lynn and welcome to the group!
We can certainly help with your analysis and blood work, but you will need to start a case history for your horse and enter all that information there, I don't see you have started one yet.
You should have received instructions for that but it's also in your message below, let us know if you need help. I will be sending along your welcome message, be sure to read through it and bookmark it for future reference as it covers many questions that usually come up.
Below is your personal introduction to DDT+E, the ECIR Group protocol found to immediately address the comfort and welfare of the metabolic equine. Bookmark this message so that during your journey you may return when you need to review more information. Blue font links in each section will lead to further evidence-based and sourced information. We include a folder specifically for vets and other pros. Links previously opened will display in grey when you return to this message.
IMPORTANT STEPS DURING ACTIVE LAMINITIS
START YOUR CASE HISTORY. Request membership in the ECIR Group Case History site. Completing a case history is critical for in-depth, individual help. Bookmark this link. Our new Case History site is designed so that once you are registered and approved, and you have enrolled your equine, you can come in and select which section you wish to work on, returning as you need to add or update information. Please add copies of all your bloodwork results to support the details of your history. Further guidance to get you started is available in the Wiki.
INFORMATION FOR YOUR VETERINARIAN. After two decades, the ECIR Group knows recommendations in DDT+ E are often different from the equine veterinary community. We offer documentation of protocols, with deep background, evidence, and the science behind recommendations in the Veterinary Information folder. Please review and share this valuable supportive info with the team working on the ground with you.
DIET: Crucial for an EMS/IR horse to lower insulin, the correct diet also supports the PPID equine’s delicate immune system.
In active laminitis, your first step is:
Your ultimate goal is:
EXERCISE: The equine must be non-laminitic, off NSAIDs and comfortable.
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Bookmark these pages, as well as this message, for easier access when you need more info.
Bobbie and Maggie
Desi (over the rainbow bridge 7/21)
Utah, Nov 2018
ECIR Group Primary Response
If you need immediate feedback, I was able to see your hay analysis in your first post. Attachments don't come thru on the forum/Group, but it did show up when you were still moderated and Groups.io forwarded the message to the volunteer team. I can't see it now but my thoughts on your hay were that it has good protein content, low ESC and starch, but no trace minerals were tested meaning you'd want to have those added on before you try to balance your minerals. I'm not sure if your test was also done by NIR methods, which tend to underestimate ESC and starch, so we recommend having a wet chemistry test done. Equi-Analytical's 603 Trainer test is perfect.
Cindy Q posted this recently, and it should help you interpret your hay test:
Looking at hay tests, I often refer back to: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/217649 with the main part extracted for you below.Our guidekines are that ESC and starch should be below 10% combined, and starch no more than 4% but ideally much lower. Some horses need ESC and starch to be well below 10% before they can tolerate unsoaked hay.
Kirsten and Shaku (EMS + PPID) and Snickers (EMS) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
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