I recently purchased new hay and had it analyzed. Based on the analysis the nutritionist recommended the following:
Timothy hay - 17 lbs
Beet Pulp - 400-600 grams ( soaked and rinsed)
Soybean - 500 grams
Mad Barn Omneity premix - 120 grams
Salt - 30 grams
Ground Flax 1/2 cup

I believe she added in the soybean meal because the proteins in the hay was very low at 4.28%. ESC and starch combined were 8.1 % as fed.  Is soy bean meal safe to feed in this case and at this quantity? I attempted to link my case history but am not sure if I was successful. 
Thanks
Holly and Boomer
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Holly K 29/10/22 Northern AB, Canada

Hi, Holly.
Sherry kindly provided a link to Boomer's Case History on the Case History (CH) website. Would you please try again to add the link to your automatic signature?

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Soybean meal absolutely is not safe.  How much hay are you feeding and what is your horse's ideal weight. The hay analysis is too light to read it. Please list the following minerals in a post - calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, sulfur, copper, zinc, manganese, iron.

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Eleanor in PA

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The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."

Thank you for replying Dr. Kellon. Ideal weight would be 1000lbs. He is getting 15 to 18 lbs of timothy hay per day split over 3 feedings. 
Beet pulp - 500 grams soaked and rinsed, split between 2 feedings
Soy bean meal- 500 grams, split between two feedings
Mad Barn Omneity premix 120
Salt 1 tbsp
Fresh ground flax - 1/2 to 3/4 cup
+his jiaogulin ( 10 grams)  and Spirulina 20 grams

Hay crude proteins -  4.28% as fed
Calcium                       .16%
Phosphorus                  .15%
Magnesium                  .07%
Sulphur                        .06%
Magnesium                  .07%
Zinc                              16.37 ug/g
Manganese                  42.02 ug/g
Iron                               63.39 ug/g            

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Holly K 29/10/22 Northern AB, Canada
https://ch.ecirhorse.org/case-history.php?id=74

Even with that much soy he is not getting enough protein. Why are you feeding so little hay? Is he overweight? What is the DE of the hay. I looks like straw. Do you have a number for the copper?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."

Hi Holly,
I edited your most recent post to make the link to your case history live.  It will only work for this post so you’ll probably need to fix it in your signature.  Find your signature block under “Subscriptions”, go to the end of the ch link you typed, press Return and then Save.

Thanks!
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Hi Dr Kellon, this is timothy hay that was cut and baled in late June. The quality looks very good although I know that doesnt always reflect the nutritional value. Copper is 3.18ug/g. Equine Digestible Energy is 2 MCal/kg. I was surprised at the low protein value as this is the lowest of any hay I have had tested from this area in the past 6 years. I have analysis from hay that was cut from this field the middle of July when it was more mature and it is 9.95% CP but ESC and Starch is 12.4% so I havnt been feeding it. I am going to resubmit a sample for testing next week although I believe the first sample was representative. At this time he has gained weight, starting to notice the crest on his neck returning. He was on Amino Trace previous to this but Mad Barn recommended taking him off that and using Omneity and adding the soy meal in based on the last hay analysis. I have been following their recommended program for the past month. Thank you for your recommendations. This is such a frustrating journey not being able to find appropriate feedstuffs in our area for these horses. 
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Holly K 29/10/22 Northern AB, Canada
https://ch.ecirhorse.org/case-history.php?id=74

Hi Holly,

I love the Mad Barn products but this is not the first time their free balancing service has made poor recommendations.

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Thanks Kristen. I am coming to the same conclusion now. I am going to send out another hay sample for testing  and then move forward from there in trying to get it balanced. 
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Holly K 29/10/22 Northern AB, Canada
https://ch.ecirhorse.org/case-history.php?id=74

Holly,

As already mentioned, the 500 g of flax does not make up the protein deficit.

On the minerals end, the trace minerals turn out OK but this diet has an inverse calcium:phosphorus ratio which is very dangerous to bone health and a mistake even a rookie nutritionist should not make.

I know he was on some alfalfa in the past.  Were there any hoof comfort or insulin issues with it?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."

We did have some issues with the alfalfa. He was on 1 mg Prascend and timothy alfalfa cubes. His behavior had changed dramatically, to the point where he was becoming unsafe due to anxiety, spookines, very reactive to surroundings. You recommended removing the alfalfa which I did. His behavior improved but not back to normal. I rode in a clinic March 18th and he had extremely high anxiety to the point of not being safe. That was on straight timothy hay for a month. Very unusual. Reduced the Prascend to 1/2 tablet following that. His behavior is now back to normal. I can try removing the soybean meal and add some alfalfa back in on a trial basis to see but would like to explore alternatives to that if there is any. We have not tested yet on the 1/2 tablet of Prascend as its only been a few weeks and would like to get his diet controlled before sending out a metabolic panel. I am also sending a retest sample of the hay out today as I'm  unsure whether the last results are correct for the protein. Should have results back in 2 weeks. 
Thanks again
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Holly K 29/10/22 Northern AB, Canada
https://ch.ecirhorse.org/case-history.php?id=74