Seasonal rise


Sheila
 

I had both of my Welsh Cobs tested on October 21.  Max, who is on 1.5 mg Prascend had a result of 46.7 and Maddie, who isn't currently being treated has a result of 31.2. My vet suggested starting to treat Maddie and possibly increasing Max's dose.  
My understanding is since this was still during the seasonal rise, both are in normal range? 
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Sheila
October 2017
Central CA Sierra foothills

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Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Sheila.

Once a horse is diagnosed with PPID- our goal is to keep their ACTH levels in the high teens to low 20's year round.
I would agree with your vet to increase Max's dose. And recheck 3 weeks after a change in dose.

If this is Maddie's first test- I think I might wait until December or January and test ACTH again. This will ensure that the seasonal rise is not influencing her numbers. Does Maddie have any symptoms? Why was she tested? 

How are Max's symptoms? 
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Primary Responder
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
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Sheila
 

Maddie has a cresty neck but no actual PPID symptoms.  She has been tested the past four years in the spring with results always around 30. She is Max's sister so I just want to stay on top of it. 
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Sheila
October 2017
Central CA Sierra foothills

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sheila%20and%20Daniel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=79191


Sheila
 


-- Also Max doesn't have any symptoms now. He is in good condition and ridden regularly (when weather permits).  
Sheila
October 2017
Central CA Sierra foothills

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sheila%20and%20Daniel

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=79191


 

Hi Sheila,
It looks like your case histories might need some updating.  Are you testing insulin and glucose as well as ACTH?  The neck crestiness is more likely a sign of high insulin than PPID.  

I agree with your vet and with Trisha that Max needs more pergolide.  Increasing pergolide may or may not decrease insulin so it’s important to track both.  Section D Welsh are less likely to be IR than their shorter relatives but that potential still exists.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

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Interesting statement about the height of a given animal making them more or less susceptible to being IR...
Does that mean that shorter Arabs are less likely than taller Arabs to be IR? 


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Ellen
Pal & Savvy
N. Alabama
Aug 2013
Case History 


Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Ellen. Here is a link about Arabians- it doesn't mention height specifically, but at our last summit meeting, there was a researcher from Maryland that discussed the height gene is couple with a gene for EMS....I'll try to find that link for you...but just to warm you up with a quick scientific read :) https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/4%20Insulin%20Resistance/Gene%20markers%20for%20EMS%20in%20Arabian%20Horses.pdf --
Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Primary Responder
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
HOW TO SEARCH THE ARCHIVES: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1993     


Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The shorter animals may be more likely. This is because when animals are evolving under conditions of limited or poor food supply, smaller body size and insulin resistance are beneficial to survival.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001
The first step to wisdom is "I don't know."


DEBBIE GIRARD
 

I can only wish! i have a 15.2 h welsh cob with IR and there are two others just as tall in my town with IR.


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Debbie Girard   Massachusetts  2022